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j911ob
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 Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:16:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by j911ob
Your evasion of the question has been duly noted. Thankyou for so publically admitting the unfalsifiability of your beliefs.
Since when has this been about my beliefs? Besides, I gave you an example in answer to your question, and you've simply ignored it, demonstrating your dogmatic adherence to nonsense and irrationality.
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DaveW, seeing as you have been obsessively monitoring me at LC...
I've looked at the thread you linked to, and I stumbled across the thread in which you ridicule the JREF guy from whom you got your sig. That you think that's "obsessively monitoring" you just tells me that you've got an ego the size of Russia.quote:
...perhaps you would like to point out what I have gotten wrong there.
Don't know that you've gotten anything "wrong." Would you like to point out something you've said in particular over there?quote:
In fact why dont you leave your cotton wool cocooned comfort zone of self congratulatory skeptics and join our forum. I am happy to stay here. Do you have the guts to go over there?
Ah, a good, old-fashioned playground challenge. What would change about our discussion were I to post over there?
Ok continue to cower in this forum amid the protection of the pseudo skeptics. I must have been mad to think you would challenge any evidence away from your own cushy turf. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:28:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Like the conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7, for example?
Doctor Jones has found thermite in the dust. The steel is not available to be analysed due to the illegal removal of debris from the crime scene.
Can't say as to how those traces got there, if indeed they did, but thermit is one of the least efficent ways to bring down a building that I can think of. It would require a large amount set up not unlike the previous explosive series mentioned, and then probably wouldn't work because it would not be controlable.
Thermit is best used in small applications where extreme heat is required at a certain point, such as in welding.
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:38:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by j911ob
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Like the conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7, for example?
Doctor Jones has found thermite in the dust. The steel is not available to be analysed due to the illegal removal of debris from the crime scene.
Can't say as to how those traces got there, if indeed they did, but thermit is one of the least efficent ways to bring down a building that I can think of. It would require a large amount set up not unlike the previous explosive series mentioned, and then probably wouldn't work because it would not be controlable.
Thermit is best used in small applications where extreme heat is required at a certain point, such as in welding.
The thermite can be seen reacting in the corner of the south tower just before it collapsed. If its in the dust too then that is irrefutable proof of thermite being used. It may be inefficient but it is a perfect choice in a situation where you dont want det cord or fire setting the explosives off, or obvious explosions. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:42:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Ok continue to cower in this forum amid the protection of the pseudo skeptics. I must have been mad to think you would challenge any evidence away from your own cushy turf.
That's rich, given that your aptly-named friend SilentKoala was practically begging for the über-skeptics over at Loose Change to try and support his losing arguments over here. And since no one jumped in to help (even you abandoned him), he's since gone home with his tail between his legs.
Amazingly, though, he's still citing the same arguments here (amid his own cotton wool cocooned comfort zone of self congratulatory conspiracy-theorists) as he did here. If his arguments are so convincing, why not stick around and make the effort? Not enough cotton, I guess.
ETA: And why would any non-conspiracy-theorist want to go there when you see this sentiment expressed: quote:
What shows me we're on the right track is the fact you have these kooks who feel its necessary for them to come in here and try to debunk everything we say.
Thanks noobs, keep it up! :D
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:44:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by j911ob
Ok continue to cower in this forum amid the protection of the pseudo skeptics. I must have been mad to think you would challenge any evidence away from your own cushy turf.
That's rich, given that your aptly-named friend SilentKoala was practically begging for the über-skeptics over at Loose Change to try and support his losing arguments over here. And since no one jumped in to help (even you abandoned him), he's since gone home with his tail between his legs.
Amazingly, though, he's still citing the same arguments here (amid his own cotton wool cocooned comfort zone of self congratulatory conspiracy-theorists) as he did here. If his arguments are so convincing, why not stick around and make the effort? Not enough cotton, I guess.
Im still here. What koala does is his concern. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:52:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Im still here. What koala does is his concern.
Right, but you mocked Dave by assuming he won't go there because of the SFN "comfort zone" and yet clearly SilentKoala quit posting here for those very same reasons. I'm sure you let him have it back on LC, though.  |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 14:24:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Ok continue to cower in this forum amid the protection of the pseudo skeptics. I must have been mad to think you would challenge any evidence away from your own cushy turf.
I asked you what would change. You refused to answer, and instead posted nothing more than the above childish playground taunt. Why the heck would the forum matter to the presentation and challenging of evidence? There is no home-field advantage when it comes to "the Truth." Your ideas aren't being censored or edited. You're free to post almost whatever you want, with very loose limits. You're even able to call me a coward without earning a warning.
So what would change if I went over to the LC forums? You, personally, aren't going to suddenly remember more evidence, or come up with better logic, or be able to rebut the arguments you've encountered over here. No, what would change is that over there you'd be surrounded by a bunch of people with similar delusions to yourself, but some of them will be better at the 9/11 apologetics and evangelizing than you are. You just can't convince the smarter kids to come over here to the SFN on this ill-conceived "Total Truth Takeover." Instead, since you've hit bottom in your own personal pool of political dogma, you're now going to try to coerce me to go where other people can respond to me in their own "cotton wool cocooned comfort zone."
But I didn't find anything interesting going on over there. Just about every thread I happened across was characterized by grade-school taunting and fanatical zealotry. Show me a thread on LCF wherein actual science is presented, challenged and defended, and it would go quite some way towards enticing me over there. But the ham-handed thuggishness you've exhibited (quoted above) makes it pretty clear that I'd just be walking into a lynch mob, and not a group that would (had they the rhetorical skills) convince me that their position is correct.
You came here voluntarily, j911ob. Nobody here dared you to come. And you're free to stay, or go, as you choose. You are obviously unable to extend the same sort of simple courtesy to me regarding the LCF. And it's obviously because I've got no reason to go over there, and you know it. So instead, you've manufactured a reason: my going over there will demonstrate to you that I've got big brass testicles. But that was never my contention, and besides, I can hear 'em clank together just fine from here. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 14:28:22 [Permalink]
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Childish taunt? This from the man who posted that America kicked Britains ass 230 years ago just because he thinks im British LOL
By the way, Britain colonized the world...America lost in vietnam. Enough said. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 14:33:57 [Permalink]
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Show me a thread on LCF wherein actual science is presented, challenged and defended, and it would go quite some way towards enticing me over there.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2397 |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 14:34:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Childish taunt? This from the man who posted that America kicked Britains ass 230 years ago just because he thinks im British LOL
Okay, so you can't take an obvious joke. Got it.
Or are you saying that calling me a coward was just a joke of your own? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 14:37:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by j911ob
Childish taunt? This from the man who posted that America kicked Britains ass 230 years ago just because he thinks im British LOL
Okay, so you can't take an obvious joke. Got it.
Or are you saying that calling me a coward was just a joke of your own?
Well it certainly wasnt serious. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 14:59:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
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Show me a thread on LCF wherein actual science is presented, challenged and defended, and it would go quite some way towards enticing me over there.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2397
BubbleGum over there was starting to ask the right questions, and was aiming towards forming a working hypothesis competitve with Jones', and got himself banned. Nobody else in the last four months has recognized the potential of his line of thinking, not even just to play Devil's Advocate (at least not in that thread). The rest of the posts before his arrival were science-poor on both sides, mostly just looking at photos and speculating about them.
Again: not enticing. Was that an example of the "A" games over there? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 15:05:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob...
Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Maybe you overlooked this question, j911ob. It is directly relevant to your questions, "Since when is solving crimes about science?" and, "Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?" I'm trying to clarify your inference that a possible conspiracy behind the collapse of WTC 7 may be a crime which you believe does not involve forensic evidence. So once again I'll ask, do you consider a conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7 to be an example of a crime that doesn't involve forensic evidence?
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 15:06:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by j911ob
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Show me a thread on LCF wherein actual science is presented, challenged and defended, and it would go quite some way towards enticing me over there.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2397
BubbleGum over there was starting to ask the right questions, and was aiming towards forming a working hypothesis competitve with Jones', and got himself banned. Nobody else in the last four months has recognized the potential of his line of thinking, not even just to play Devil's Advocate (at least not in that thread). The rest of the posts before his arrival were science-poor on both sides, mostly just looking at photos and speculating about them.
Again: not enticing. Was that an example of the "A" games over there?
Heres a thread started by a skeptic. As you will see responses to him are mostly respectful. People are only banned for obvious trolling and sock puppetry.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2240 |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 15:16:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by j911ob...
Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Maybe you overlooked this question, j911ob. It is directly relevant to your questions, "Since when is solving crimes about science?" and, "Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?" I'm trying to clarify your inference that a possible conspiracy behind the collapse of WTC 7 may be a crime which you believe does not involve forensic evidence. So once again I'll ask, do you consider a conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7 to be an example of a crime that doesn't involve forensic evidence?
It could have been but they destroyed the evidence. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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