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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 05/09/2007 : 15:36:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Ok continue to cower in this forum amid the protection of the pseudo skeptics. I must have been mad to think you would challenge any evidence away from your own cushy turf.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 05/09/2007 : 15:46:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by j911ob
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Like the conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7, for example?
Doctor Jones has found thermite in the dust. The steel is not available to be analysed due to the illegal removal of debris from the crime scene.
Can't say as to how those traces got there, if indeed they did, but thermit is one of the least efficent ways to bring down a building that I can think of. It would require a large amount set up not unlike the previous explosive series mentioned, and then probably wouldn't work because it would not be controlable.
Thermit is best used in small applications where extreme heat is required at a certain point, such as in welding.
The thermite can be seen reacting in the corner of the south tower just before it collapsed. If its in the dust too then that is irrefutable proof of thermite being used. It may be inefficient but it is a perfect choice in a situation where you dont want det cord or fire setting the explosives off, or obvious explosions.
Lemmee see if I've got this straight; you are in effect saying that under certain conditions, thermit is preferable to PrimaCord for a priming charge? And you are also implying that some explosives are set off with flame?
Never done any blasting nor even read up on it, have you? Didn't even bother to open the link I gave you either. Had you had done any of this, you'd see why I'm calling bullshit.
Dr. Jones lost a lot of his credibility when he got shitcanned from BYU, and abandoned his field of research to go into the woo-woo world of conspiricy theory. Why should I buy his word with no supporting evidence?
Show me the thermit reaction with a report signed off by some experts in the field of demolitions and high explosives.
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marfknox
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 17:55:02 [Permalink]
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j911ob wrote: quote:
Why are you quoting the FEMA report. NIST is supposedly doing the final report but its not out yet.
I'm quoting the FEMA report because the NIST isn't out yet, duh. I'm also quoting it because you have criticized it. If I'm going to defend it, obviously I have to quote it. Duh.
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The head of the report admitted last year that they really don't know why the building collapsed.
Yeah, that was part of my point. You make it sound like the "official government story" is something clear and conclusive. But it isn't. Even the government admits that it is not yet sure what caused building 7 to collapse the way it did.
The tiny amount of evidence presented here for the hypothesis that it was a controlled demolition has been easily refuted, some false reasoning has also been presented as evidence, and also debunked.
You have also conveniently side-stepped your dismissal of science as a tool in such investigations. You have also completely ignored most of my long and thoughtful post on page 6 of this thread, responding to you. Where is your response to my objections with this hypothesis that you are (inadequately) trying to defend? |
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marfknox
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 18:03:20 [Permalink]
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j911ob wrote: quote:
Ok continue to cower in this forum amid the protection of the pseudo skeptics. I must have been mad to think you would challenge any evidence away from your own cushy turf.
Oh this is so much blowing of smoke I think I'm going to gag. Look, buddy, on this forum we discuss all sorts of topics, and the only thing that is consistently agreed on by all of the members is the skeptical approach and critical thinking.
You are asking someone to come to a forum that discusses one issue, and discusses it poorly. I'm pretty damn sure that people who think the rapture is coming are full of shit. I'm confident that such claims are irrational and unsubstantiated because I've already explored that issue with the hat of reason on. I also know that if I go to a forum for discussing the rapture and try to apply skepticism that I'll be met with nonsense and most likely not convince anyone that they are wrong. So why would I do that?
Stick to the issue at hand, don't distract us with bullshit. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 18:16:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Heres a thread started by a skeptic. As you will see responses to him are mostly respectful. People are only banned for obvious trolling and sock puppetry.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2240
I can deal with disrespect, as you well know. The problem with that thread (at least page one, which is all I had time for) is that the skeptics are the only ones bringing the science. The CTs repeatedly made arguments from incredulity, arguments from authority, arguments from secret knowledge, insulted the skeptics, and if I read one more time the blatant falsehood that WTC 7 "fell into its own footprint," I think I'm going to gag. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 18:20:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
...I think I'm going to gag.
And I wrote:quote:
...I think I'm going to gag.
Honestly, I hadn't read your post yet, marf, I was on the preceeding page. Great minds choke alike?  |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 18:39:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by j911ob
Heres a thread started by a skeptic. As you will see responses to him are mostly respectful. People are only banned for obvious trolling and sock puppetry.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2240
I can deal with disrespect, as you well know. The problem with that thread (at least page one, which is all I had time for) is that the skeptics are the only ones bringing the science. The CTs repeatedly made arguments from incredulity, arguments from authority, arguments from secret knowledge, insulted the skeptics, and if I read one more time the blatant falsehood that WTC 7 "fell into its own footprint," I think I'm going to gag.
You mean like the arguments from incredulity here such as about the mural truck? |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 18:50:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob...Originally posted by me...
[. . .] do you consider a conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7 to be an example of a crime that doesn't involve forensic evidence? |
It could have been but they destroyed the evidence. |
Just so we're on the same plane here, your position is that they, those you believe to be responsible for the conspiracy, destroyed any forensic evidence which would show the demolition of WTC 7 was an "inside job"? In other words, any such forensic evidence which may have existed, no longer exists?
Edited for punctuation. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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6891 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 18:57:58 [Permalink]
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Is a thoroughly discredited fraud.
He stepped far outside his own area of expertise, penned a paper filled with misinformation, and found himself fired from his BYU professorship.
His paper has been soundly debunked a dozen times over.
Dr Jones, disected, debunked, and proven the fool.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 18:59:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
You mean like the arguments from incredulity here such as about the mural truck?
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You say there was a mural truck there. Now show me credible evidence it was there. You won't get far by hear-say. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 19:02:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
You mean like the arguments from incredulity here such as about the mural truck? |
"Show me the evidence for the mural truck" is nothing like the standard CT argument of "to think that WTC 7 could have fallen down on its own due to a little damage and small fires is ridiculous."
Neither quote is verbatim. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2007 : 08:07:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by j911ob
You mean like the arguments from incredulity here such as about the mural truck? |
"Show me the evidence for the mural truck" is nothing like the standard CT argument of "to think that WTC 7 could have fallen down on its own due to a little damage and small fires is ridiculous."
Neither quote is verbatim.
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You have been shown the evidence. To believe the truck didnt exist you would have to believe that the official government report made it up and that the audio is fake. Is that what you believe? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2007 : 08:21:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob:
Ok continue to cower in this forum amid the protection of the pseudo skeptics. I must have been mad to think you would challenge any evidence away from your own cushy turf. |
Actually, you did say that you would dismantle us clowns right here on our forum. Lets face it, you had no idea of what you were getting yourself in to. Just a little research on us might have helped you. So your judgment becomes immediately suspect.
By the way (and this is a the short list) we are called pseudo skeptics by:
Creationists
Quacks and their friends
Moon landing deniers
Alien abducties
Psychics and their friends
Global warming deniers
And really everyone who thinks they have cornered the market on the truth, including 9/11 conspiracy advocates and other conspiracy advocates like those who think the world us run by six-foot alien lizards.
So thanks! You are in good company…  |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2007 : 08:25:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
You have been shown the evidence. To believe the truck didnt exist you would have to believe that the official government report made it up and that the audio is fake. Is that what you believe? |
I wasn't asking for evidence. I already told you that I'll take Mineta's report at face value. The point is this: asking for evidence is not an argument from incredulity. But you're too dishonest to admit it. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 08:38:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by j911ob
You have been shown the evidence. To believe the truck didnt exist you would have to believe that the official government report made it up and that the audio is fake. Is that what you believe? |
I wasn't asking for evidence. I already told you that I'll take Mineta's report at face value. The point is this: asking for evidence is not an argument from incredulity. But you're too dishonest to admit it.
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Saying "I will ignore the report and audio because a mural truck seems too incredible" is an argument from incredulity. |
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