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Dave W.
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 Posted - 06/12/2007 : 09:27:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Thanks for admitting that a study from which you base your believes is flawed. Little seen in these forums. Congratulations! |
I find your delusions to be fascinating. A study I only learned about three days ago is somehow - according to you - a basis for my beliefs. You finding things "interesting" and "curious" without demonstrating any actual errors somehow means to you that the study is flawed. And me pointing out your own fallacious logic somehow means to you that I've admitted something. Life is just one non sequitor after another for you, isn't it? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 18:48:18 [Permalink]
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Any valid information that does not conform to the religion of mmgw is discounted as invalid despite it being admitted valid.
And I have delusions?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 18:52:55 [Permalink]
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/06/07/carbon-tax.html?ref=rss
Looks like the carbon tax has come true; only weeks after my prediction.
"About 50 companies will be affected by the tax.Oil companies will be hardest hit. They will pay about $69 million a year for gasoline, $36 million for diesel fuel, and $43 million for heating oil.Natural gas distributors will pay about $39 million, while electricity distributor Hydro-Québec will pay $4.5 million for its thermal energy plant in Tracy, Que."
Half of my original statement has come true. Only time will prove the rest.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 18:58:58 [Permalink]
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http://tinyurl.com/22sd7u
The hits keep on coming!
"The plan includes several controversial ideas, including making residents who use large amounts of electricity and natural gas pay higher utility fees, boosting insurance rates for people who drive long distances and mandating that homes be energy efficient before they can be sold."
Carbon tax is now in vogue.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 19:21:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Any valid information that does not conform to the religion of mmgw is discounted as invalid despite it being admitted valid. |
What information would that be?Yes, you appear to be so deluded that you think inuendos are facts. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 19:31:56 [Permalink]
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Dave said "Yes, you appear to be so deluded that you think innuendos are facts."
Like the carbon taxes now being implemented?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 20:59:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave said "Yes, you appear to be so deluded that you think innuendos are facts."
Like the carbon taxes now being implemented? |
No, like your "interesting" and "curious" comments that you think are enough to demonstrate a flawed study.
As to the taxes, if global warming is a real thing, then it's not a scam to tax, even if taxes are part of a solution. But that was a different thread. |
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 21:10:01 [Permalink]
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Dave, can you explain why they would proclaim man made co2 emissions having a dramatic increase based on estimates that do not agree? Ohh, right, just look for data that supports ones theory. This does not sound like science to me; does it sound like science to you?
So, you now admit that half of my statement is correct. The theory of mmgw is causing taxes.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 21:31:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, can you explain why they would proclaim man made co2 emissions having a dramatic increase based on estimates that do not agree? Ohh, right, just look for data that supports ones theory. This does not sound like science to me; does it sound like science to you? |
No, your summation of the article doesn't sound like science, because it's not what the researchers did. It sounds like Seattle again.| So, you now admit that half of my statement is correct. The theory of mmgw is causing taxes. |
I never disagreed with the idea that some taxes would rise due to global warming, Jerome. I still disagree with your claim regarding the motivation for taxation, a claim for which you have never presented any evidence. And this is still the wrong thread for that discussion. |
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 08:55:18 [Permalink]
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No, Dave, that is exactly what the scientists claimed to have done in the study. They choose to use the more dramatic estimates.
It is not my summation, or my interpretation; its the authors words.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 09:18:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
No, Dave, that is exactly what the scientists claimed to have done in the study. They choose to use the more dramatic estimates. |
Really? Let's read it again:...the CDIAC global total is 4–5% larger than both sums over countries... the CDIAC data suggest a much larger emissions decline [just for China] from 1996 to 2002 than the EIA data... Therefore, we use EIA... Seems to me like if "drama" was what they wanted, then larger global emissions and a bigger slowdown in China would be what was called for. But they chose to go with more conservative values.| It is not my summation, or my interpretation; its the authors words. |
Apparently, it is entirely about interpretation if you can read the same article and come to an opposing conclusion about a simple point, Jerome. Unless you're going to insist that your interpretation must be correct. I'm open to being shown where I'm wrong, are you?
Along those lines, here is a direct question, Jerome: what sort of evidence would you require in order to change your mind about global warming? |
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 Posted - 06/13/2007 : 18:47:43 [Permalink]
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Dave quoted "the CDIAC data suggest a much larger emissions decline [just for China] from 1996 to 2002 than the EIA data... Therefore, we use EIA..."
A decline in emissions is less than. I love when your quotes agree with what I state and you think it means the opposite.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 19:07:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave quoted "the CDIAC data suggest a much larger emissions decline [just for China] from 1996 to 2002 than the EIA data... Therefore, we use EIA..."
A decline in emissions is less than. I love when your quotes agree with what I state and you think it means the opposite. |
A larger decline is more dramatic than a smaller decline. Both data sets included a decline. |
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 19:37:03 [Permalink]
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A larger decline in emissions is contrary to the mmgw religion.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:23:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
A larger decline in emissions is contrary to the mmgw religion. |
How is a larger decline in carbon emissions in China "associated mainly with closure of small factories and power plants and with policies to improve energy efficiency" contrary to any hypothesized MMGW religion? Those things should reduce emissions, and it's good that China did them. |
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Debunked-"world wide scientific consensus"
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