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Dave W.
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 Posted - 06/07/2007 : 08:23:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, how does James Randi define the scientific consensus? |
How is his definition - whatever it is - even relevant to this thread? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 14:25:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Filthy, you quoted this:
The study, published by the US National Academy of Sciences, shows that carbon dioxide emissions have been increasing by about 3 per cent a year during this decade, compared with 1.1 per cent a year in the 1990s
Total emissions?
Man made emissions?
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Oh come now Jerome; I know you're smarter than that!
Emissions, as put forth by automobiles, lawn mowers, factories, and, hell, I dunno, probably Republican (and not a few Democratic) political statements, and Dick Cheney's pacemaker which, rumor has it, runs on #2 diesel stored in his frontal lobes.
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Filthy, most co2 comes from natural causes, not man made causes. I was asking if man made co2 was what was being reported, or is it all co2.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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furshur
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 20:34:35 [Permalink]
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Jerome you really can't understand filthy's reply, you know, the one you copied in your message?
Very troubling.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 20:40:18 [Permalink]
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Furshur, since you are so sure. What is the reference to; man made co2, or all co2?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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furshur
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 09:54:28 [Permalink]
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E-m-i-s-s-i-o-n-s. Understand?  |
If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 18:44:46 [Permalink]
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Furshur, what is doing the emitting? Nature or man?
Why be so coy?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 03:27:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Furshur, what is doing the emitting? Nature or man?
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You're the one being coy. The other alternative is that you have some kind of comprehension problem.¨
Filthy wrote:
Originally posted by filthy:
Emissions, as put forth by automobiles, lawn mowers, factories, and, hell, I dunno, probably Republican (and not a few Democratic) political statements, and Dick Cheney's pacemaker which, rumor has it, runs on #2 diesel stored in his frontal lobes. |
What part of this do you not understand? |
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Boron10
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 11:38:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Furshur, what is doing the emitting? Nature or man?
Why be so coy? |
Ok, I will attempt to make this abundantly clear:Originally posted by filthy
Oh come now Jerome; I know you're smarter than that!
Emissions, as put forth by automobiles, lawn mowers, factories, and, hell, I dunno, probably Republican (and not a few Democratic) political statements, and Dick Cheney's pacemaker which, rumor has it, runs on #2 diesel stored in his frontal lobes.
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Emphasis added -- B10
The bolded parts are an unusual rhetorical device known as humor. Just to re-iterate, From Wikipedia
In common usage, emission is most often the giving off of gases from industrial processes and the engine exhausts of transport vehicles (automobiles, trucks, airplanes, trains and ships). As they occur on an industrial scale, even relatively harmless gases can have an undesired effect (such as carbon dioxide contributing to the greenhouse effect). |
In other words, emissions come from machines and industry, and the word is rarely used in reference to farts and breathing. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 12:21:21 [Permalink]
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Filthy quoted "The study, published by the US National Academy of Sciences, shows that carbon dioxide emissions have been increasing by about 3 per cent a year during this decade, compared with 1.1 per cent a year in the 1990s"
There is no reference, as such I asked a simple question.
I goggled "natural co2 emissions" and found 2,000 matches; and "man made co2 emissions" with 9,500 matches. So emissions is a commonly used word in the context of natural causes. Hence my asking of a simple question.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 12:36:47 [Permalink]
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Have yet to find this particular study. But I found this study by the US National Academy of Sciences very informative.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9755&page=1
"The global-mean temperature at the earth's surface is estimated to have risen by 0.25 to 0.4 °C during the past 20 years"
"On the other hand, satellite measurements of radiances indicate that the temperature of the lower to mid-troposphere (the atmospheric layer extending from the earth's surface up to about 8 km) has exhibited a smaller rise of approximately 0.0 to 0.2 °C during this period."
"The panel was asked to assess whether these apparently conflicting surface and upper air temperature trends lie within the range of uncertainty inherent in the measurements and, if they are judged to lie outside that range, to identify the most probable reason(s) for the differences."
This study examines why the estimates do not correlate with the data.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 12:43:24 [Permalink]
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Looks like the US National Academy of Sciences believes the model are not as accurate as they are purported to be.
"(4) The scientific community should explore the possibility of exploiting the sophisticated protocols that are now routinely used to ensure the quality control and consistency of the data ingested into operational numerical weather prediction models, to improve the reliability of the data sets used to monitor global climate change."
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 14:37:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I goggled "natural co2 emissions" and found 2,000 matches; and "man made co2 emissions" with 9,500 matches. So emissions is a commonly used word in the context of natural causes. Hence my asking of a simple question.
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Duh!
Isn't the answer obvious? 83% of the articles is about man made emmissions, which means that 2.5% of the total CO2 emmissions (83% of the 3%) are man made.
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Boron10
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 15:59:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
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I goggled "natural co2 emissions" and found 2,000 matches; and "man made co2 emissions" with 9,500 matches. So emissions is a commonly used word in the context of natural causes. Hence my asking of a simple question. |
First of all, if your evidence were to be the only necessary data for this argument, it would only illustrate my point, as the good Dr. Mabuse attempted to point out.
However, your argument is called a false dichotomy. These are not the only two ways to refer to emissions.
Last, since we are referring to common usage of the word, we can use references like google, wikipedia, or the dictionary. Thus we haveAmerican Heritage Dictionary
e·mis·sion (#301;-m#301;sh'#601;n)
n. - The act or an instance of emitting.
- Something emitted.
- A substance discharged into the air, especially by an internal combustion engine.
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Emphasis added -- B10
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 16:13:29 [Permalink]
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All I have done was to ask the simple question: What emissions are the study talking about?
I can not find the study despite looking through the US National Academy of Sciences web site for evidence of this study. The articles do not classify what emissions are talked about. Why is this such a hard question to answer?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 16:19:34 [Permalink]
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Boron, to you point "These are not the only two ways to refer to emissions."
Of course there are other ways to refer to emissions. I was responding to Fursur saying "E-m-i-s-s-i-o-n-s. Understand?". Implying that man made is what emissions means.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Debunked-"world wide scientific consensus"
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