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Roddy
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Panama
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 Posted - 05/24/2007 : 11:57:43
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Some Christian made this video called Dawkins Delusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERyh9YYEis
The video is just audio. The guy who is talking sounds like Dawkins, but he is saying Dawkins does not exist using Dawkins' arguments for the existence of God.
For starters, I have seen Dawkins on television, and I can define Dawkins: Englishman who writes books, biologist, probably in his sixties, and very militant about his atheism. No one can define God like this. People would contradict themselves from one culture to another. And God isn't on television, and he hasn't written books, at least not by his own hand. Those books attributed to him were "ghost written" and don't agree with each other.
Kind of sad that Christians have been flagging all the Dawkins videos on youtube, but they haven't touched that one yet.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 05/24/2007 : 12:30:13 [Permalink]
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I posted this comment:| Theists are terrified of Richard Dawkins! By paraphrasing Dawkins, this recording is more clever and a bit funnier than most of the pathetic nonsense from theism's apologists, but by the end, it provides only insults, no arguments. Dawkins is left standing, while God is still a myth. I advise the listener to actually read The God Delusion to see the real arguments Dawkins presenst for atheism. |
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nob_dammit
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 21:08:38 [Permalink]
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militant
adj.
Fighting or warring.
Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.
n. A fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin m#299;lit#257;ns, m#299;litant-, present participle of m#299;lit#257;re, to serve as a soldier; see militate.]
mil'i·tance, mil'i·tan·cy n., mil'i·tant·ly adv.
The theists have made the use of "militant" as an adjective for atheists a common occurence. This label serves to give us a negative violent spin. Even if we use it ourselves with a milder definition in mind it will still support the theist implication of violence and aggressiveness. I went to a thesaurous to see if there were any less negative words that could be used in place of militant and there were only a couple that I would be comfortable using.
Synonyms: active, aggressive, assertive, assertory, bellicose, belligerent, combating, contending, contentious, embattled, fighting, gladiatorial, in arms, martial, militaristic, military, offensive, pugnacious, pushy, quarrelsome, scrappy, self-assertive, truculent, vigorous, warlike, warring
Active, assertive, self-assertive, and vigorous are the only ones I would consider using in reference to Dawkins. I don't intend to be snippy about the use of this word in the previous post. I just wanted to point it out and remind people how easy it is to repeat what we hear in the multitude of sound bytes that assault us every day. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 21:20:49 [Permalink]
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How about "positive atheism".
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 23:58:30 [Permalink]
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I'm for "militant." Hey, if the Methodists and the Quakers can come to accept and use the terms that were originally thrown at them by enemies, I can certainly accept "militant."
It's about time atheists militated.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 06/01/2007 : 01:39:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I'm for "militant." Hey, if the Methodists and the Quakers can come to accept and use the terms that were originally thrown at them by enemies, I can certainly accept "militant."
It's about time atheists militated.
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Better to militate than to millipede, I suppose, although neither are acceptable behavior at Milliway's.
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 10:31:35 [Permalink]
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| I do believe the atheists militated already Mooner, In North Korea/China/USSR/Vietnam/Cambodia and so on... though perhaps they could try again without the communist ideology. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2007 : 15:15:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
I do believe the atheists militated already Mooner, In North Korea/China/USSR/Vietnam/Cambodia and so on... though perhaps they could try again without the communist ideology.
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Yup, instructive examples of bad militation, ones that should never be forgotten.
I don't want to see anyone persecuted for their religious beliefs -- or lack of them. But I do want to see atheists be every bit as up front and confrontational with their beliefs as are the religious, until such time as religious thinking is no longer the dominant and protected mode of thought that it is today.
As things stand, it is considered perfectly acceptable for the religious to espouse any and all forms of bullshit, while it's considered bad form to criticize them for it. That's gotta change. Anything but militancy by atheists is just an acceptance of the stacked deck we're playing with. We're going to see more of the same, unless we speak up loud and clear. I don't want to shut anyone up, I just want to see the opposing voices become louder, and eventually more accepted, than theirs.
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skeptic griggsy
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:18:30 [Permalink]
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| That was sarcastic about our hero and funny but intellectually vacuous.His critics should try to refute his argumentation. |
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism. Logic is the bane of theists.Religion is mythinformation. Reason saves, not a dead Galilean fanatic. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 11:23:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by skeptic griggsy
That was sarcastic about our hero and funny but intellectually vacuous.His critics should try to refute his argumentation.
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That's the best they can do: Make fun of Dawkins' British intellectualism, accent, and personal style. A little funny, but, as you say, Griggsy, it completely missed the whole argumentation "thing."
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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| Edited by - HalfMooner on 06/06/2007 11:24:15 |
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The Dawkins Delusion
