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Kil
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Posted - 05/22/2007 :  17:47:18  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I happen to be on Edward Babinski's mailing list. I thought I would share an email I received today.


"Is Christianity Good for the World?"
Hitchens debates Wilson at Christianity Today [in 4 Parts so far]
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/mayweb-only/119-12.0.html


A comment I posted after reading Part 4


Edward T. Babinski Posted: May 22, 2007 5:55 PM
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/comments/allreviews.html?id=45589
Some argue over what lay behind the metaphysical curtain (i.e., whether or not God & an afterlife exists), while others (like Hitchens) are more concerned with people who assume they know exactly what God would do in most every case and use that so-called knowledge to back up their own prejudices, fears and desires. There are religious liberals and moderates who are equally as concerned as Hitchens with the latter case. As for what's behind the metaphysical curtain, either you die and your memories and personality are no more (just as they were before you were conceived), or you die and live on in some mystical or personal form. In either case none of us can
make one result or the other happen. (And I doubt that "eternal hell" makes much sense, so I don't fear the second option.) On the question of morality, unless it is subverted by a fanatical religious or political or racist ideology, I think it consists of people likeing being liked, and hating being hated.

Edward T. Babinski


It's a good read. Highly recommended.


Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Dude
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 05/22/2007 :  22:19:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I read the debate over there. Its always informative to read Hitchens. Sadly, he is to intelligent and articulate to have any influence on the segment of religious people who disagree with his main thesis.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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skeptic griggsy
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Posted - 06/06/2007 :  09:24:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit skeptic griggsy's Homepage Send skeptic griggsy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wilson wants absolute morality. He fears that our evoloving morality would overcome good morality. He makes a non-sequitur in thinking that an evolving morality would cancel what we find good when it would only add to that good.We have learned that slavery is wrong. Why would we find that wrong when we find new notions of goodness!Why would we again embrace misogyny? Is he for real? Can he think!What stupidity we have to overcome!

Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism. Logic is the bane of theists.Religion is mythinformation. Reason saves, not a dead Galilean fanatic.
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