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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:44:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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5.1.1.1 Evening Primrose (Oenothera gigas)
While studying the genetics of the evening primrose, Oenothera lamarckiana, de Vries (1905) found an unusual variant among his plants. O. lamarckiana has a chromosome number of 2N = 14. The variant had a chromosome number of 2N = 28. He found that he was unable to breed this variant with O. lamarckiana. He named this new species O. gigas. |
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Thanks, but finding another type is not a genetic change occurring.
Has science seen a genetic change that created a new genetic creature?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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marfknox
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:46:08 [Permalink]
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Jerome wrote: No, its the references to child sex that I object to. The avatar in conjunction to these references show this person as having major problems which I chose not to involve myself with. You may choose to speak to a person of such low morality and low self esteem; I choose against.
This is the kid in middle school that talked tough, got a bloody nose; while doing no damage to the other, and then bragged about how tough he is because he got a bloody nose. Silly mind of a child. |
Wow, this is a whole new level of shit for you Jerome: saying that Humbert has low morality and low self esteem based on his bringing up of unsavory (but perfectly relevant to the conversation) issues. And the avatar - I believe that's a scene from the movie "Office Space" where the guy is beating up a copier machine. Yeah, so scary.
You know, I teach kids, very much love children, and I wasn't offended by anything Humbert said. It's words, Jerome. Words for the purpose of making a point in a discussion. If it bothers you, back off, but don't try to make it out as if Humbert did anything wrong. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:10:31 [Permalink]
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One can only imagine that god himself felt squeaming on the issue of child sex, as he avoiding talking about it in his Commandments. I suppose we're to infer it's the implied 11th Commandment, abstaining from I mean, as it's simply impolite to bring up such disagreeable matters when handing out moral codes. 
And I've found that a willingness to assume nefarious motives behind my avatar is inversely proportional to a willingness to address my arguments. As such, a refusal to continue discussion on the grounds that one finds my avatar "disturbing" is essentially an admission of defeat, and I accept it as such.
The true message one should rightfully extract from my avatar, if one possessed a familiarity with American comedy films, is that I possess a sense of humor. However, from almost the day I selected it, it has been misconstrued as an endorsement of violence against people (and not uncooperative office equipment, as originally). This despite the fact that no victim is shown. It seems that certain individuals simply imagine that there is someone just offscreen absorbing the blows. I find this faulty assumption, this error of perception, fascinating. And so whenever some troll brings up this tired objection to my avatar (especially one who selects a cartoon alien known for his consuming passion to blow up the Earth as his own), it always amazes me that they fail to realize that their observation speaks volumes more about their psyche than mine.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:50:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
| I believe that's a scene from the movie "Office Space" where the guy is beating up a copier machine. Yeah, so scary. |
It was a printer. I demand you retract this statement.
Thanks, but finding another type is not a genetic change occurring.
Has science seen a genetic change that created a new genetic creature? |
Sorry, try again. It's a different chromosome number. It's a genetic difference.
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Not scary; a window into a mind, particularity when admitted by the poster that violence is portrayed. Silly childlike mind. I know what you think it is, but I say its something else. When my children were two they also played this game.
Different chromosome different thing. This does not prove a change, only that it is different.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:08:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Not scary; a window into a mind, particularity when admitted by the poster that violence is portrayed. Silly childlike mind. I know what you think it is, but I say its something else. When my children were two they also played this game. |
Translation: "I'm too infantile to admit when I've been shown to be obviously wrong, so I'll project that quality onto my opponent and pretend he's the one being childish. With luck, no one will notice the switch." 
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:17:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
This does not prove a change, only that it is different. |
How is "different from its ancestors" not a change? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:23:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Adultery prohibition. It once meant sex outside of marriage. The definition has changed. |
JEROME, it was you who claimed "I look to the actual meanings of the words." The actual meaning of adultery for males is "sex with another married woman".
The Meaning of Adultery
Unlike the meaning of the verb "to murder / kill" in the 7th Commandment, there is no linguistic problems in the 8th Commandment. The Hebrew verb na'ap unambiguously means to commit adultery. It:
- can have a man or woman as its subject
- is distinguished from other verbs:
- skb to sleep with
- znh to commit harlotry/prostitution
The command relates to specifically to adultery, which in the Old Testament is clearly in a different category than fornication (= sex between two unmarried / unbetrothed people).
- eg. punishment for adultery was death (Deut 22:22); whereas the penalty for seduction of a virgin was a requirement to marry the woman or pay an appropriate monetary sum.
There was a double standard in the definition of adultery in Patriarchal Israel
- for men, adultery meant sex with another married woman
- for women, adultery meant sex with any other man
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Therefore, a prohibition on adultery would not deter in the slightest a single male from raping a 12 year-old girl, unless it is you who have changed the definition of the word "adultery" to mean something which it does not.
If that is so, then your claim of "look[ing] to the actual meanings of the words" is pretty much crap, isn't it?
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Just to prove the point. This is adultry in Hebrew. It means sex outside of marriage. The other points you made were obscuring the point you were trying to make.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:25:18 [Permalink]
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The Hebrew text did not come through. But you can download you very own Hebrew English dictionary for your very own.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:28:05 [Permalink]
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I also found it amusing that you selected a religious website to find your quotes. Why not use the real words. Why rely on the writings of a religion with which you do not agree.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 22:30:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
This does not prove a change, only that it is different. |
How is "different from its ancestors" not a change?
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The information showed no evidence that anything was "different from its ancestors". Only that another variety was found.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Ricky
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 23:09:26 [Permalink]
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Ok Jerome. When are you submitting your paper for peer review?
I mean, you are about to overturn more than a century of study in genetics. Hell, you'll probably win a prize or something.
Seriously, you need to minimally inform yourself before you make completely idiotic comments.
When a species changes its chromosome number, that means it has gained new genetic information.
When a species can't interbreed with the species it is descended from, it has becoe a new species.
Some examples of polyploidy in plants lead to dramatic phenotype alterations, in very short timeframes.
Just admit you don't know didly about the topic, and make some effort to learn something. Just spend a couple hours reading the TO archive.
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moakley
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 04:38:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You seem to have a sick attachment to speaking about sex with children.
As this and your avatar bother me, I will no longer respond to you.
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And now an ignore list. Seems to be a christian thing to do when someone points out the uncomfortable flaws in your faith. |
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moakley
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 04:58:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I also found it amusing that you selected a religious website to find your quotes. Why not use the real words. Why rely on the writings of a religion with which you do not agree.
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Amusing? I'd say effective. Using the words of a religious web site leaves no room for the "taken out of context" argument. Unless you claim that that religious web site was wrong in their understanding of the real words. Now you have to contend with what your fellow religionist are saying about the words in your sacred book.
Perhaps you should try to critically evaluate its contents instead just believing. You might find yourself experiencing a completely different kind of revelation.
Wow: spell check flagged critically and experiencing |
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