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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 06/22/2007 : 04:59:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I also found it amusing that you selected a religious website to find your quotes. Why not use the real words. Why rely on the writings of a religion with which you do not agree. |
If you're referring to the discussion HH put forward, he's correct. The Commandment in question, from Ex 20:14 uses the verb N'P. Most dictionaries translate this as "to commit adultery" but contextually, it is always used in the context of a man and a married woman. If a single male had sex with an unmarried woman, in general he had to marry her and pay compensation to the woman's father (since in the ancient Near East, an unmarried woman was generally thought to be little more than a commodity). Moreover, if I recall correctly, if a single man slept with a married woman, it is only the woman who is put to death. |
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pleco
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 05:15:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Please explain what noun did the wiring.
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NO!
You made the assertion. You back it up.
For the third time, prove your assertion of truth that:
"Wired in denotes someone to do the wiring."
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I notice you ducked on answering this, so I will bring it up again. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 06:09:26 [Permalink]
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It is pointless talking to Jerome about evolution because he is totally ignorant of not only discoveries, but also of how science works. He has insisted that no one here has presented "the science" but filthy has provided countless photographs and links to scientific articles. Dude and others cited peer review more than once. It seems to me that short of one of us going out and doing all the research ourselves (and then he'd probably still accuse us of makin' stuff up for "glory") he's not going to accept any hard scientific backing for our stance.
He's also said so many moronic statements, that "survival of the fittest" does not equal genetic change in a population, that change is somehow not difference. He is apparently unaware of even microevolution, which has been witnessed by both scientists and laymen in real time. In Jerome's mind, as species have continuously gone extinct, some mysterious God just miraculously replaces them with species that are almost, but not quite identical.
Then he personally attacks Humbert and spouts such idiocy as that the concept of "violence" is extended to a fictional depiction of a man relieving his frustrations by destroying a printer.
Jerome, I hope you are a troll, because if you aren't doing these things deliberately, you are pretty damn pathetic. I strongly advise you move on to topics you can handle and stop embarrassing yourself and offending other people. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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Fripp
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 06:17:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The exponding of the law after the first tablets were broken are not the rules I follow.
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So you pick and choose what you will and will not base your morals on, correct?
From the bible and http://www.ffrf.org/quiz/banswers.php:
The first time Moses came down from Mount Sinai with commandments, he merely recited a list (Exodus 20:2-17). They were NOT engraved on stone tablets and were NOT referred to in any way as "the ten commandments."
This is the version most churches today wrongly call the "Ten Commandments."
The first set of stone tablets was given to Moses at a subsequent trip up the mountain (Exodus 31:18).
Moses destroyed those tablets when he saw the people worshipping the golden calf (Exodus 32:19).
When he went back up for a replacement, God told Moses: "Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." (Exodus 34:1)
What was on the replacement tablets (from Exodus 34:14-26) is the list that I posted earlier...the only list that is specifically called the "Ten Commandments": "And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." (Exodus 34:28).
Since you're lazy and disingenuous, I will re-list them:
1) Thou shalt worship no other God.
2) Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3) The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4) Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
5) Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks.
6) Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God.
7) Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8) Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left until the morning.
9) The first of the firstfruits of thy land shalt thou bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10) Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
I fail to see how this is "expounding" on the law since: A) these do not include the original list of ten, B) These have almost zero correlation with the first ten, and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, C) God made absolutely no mention that this list "expounds", "elaborates", "clarifies", or "explains more clearly" the original list of ten.
Thus, your contention that this is an "expounding of the law" is utterly, and without evidence, your completely uninformed opinion.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 07:34:04 [Permalink]
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| Does #10 apply to humans as well as goats? Also where exactly do manchildren appear before God? |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 08:04:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Jerome, I hope you are a troll, because if you aren't doing these things deliberately, you are pretty damn pathetic. I strongly advise you move on to topics you can handle and stop embarrassing yourself and offending other people.
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The fact that Jerome ignored 99% percent of my post and instead focused on a single "admission" (violence is portrayed), certainly suggests that he is being willfully dishonest. It reminds me of those Hollywood ad men who relay criticism like "this movie is a fantastic waste of time" as "this movie is...fantastic!"
Then again, I find Jerome's behavior indistinguishable from any other fundy, whose lies must be balanced against the fact that they probably believe their lies themselves. Self-deception is a bitch. And since Jerome seems to think everyone but himself is affected by it, coupled with his propensity to project his limitations on others, it certainly suggests that he suffers from a whopping case of it.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 08:38:04 [Permalink]
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Humbert wrote: | And so whenever some troll brings up this tired objection to my avatar (especially one who selects a cartoon alien known for his consuming passion to blow up the Earth as his own), it always amazes me that they fail to realize that their observation speaks volumes more about their psyche than mine. |
From Wikipedia's entry on "Marvin the Martian": | So, he decided to create the opposite type of character; one who was quiet and soft-spoken, but whose actions were incredibly destructive and legitimately dangerous. |
| Marvin wears a Roman soldier's uniform (a reference to Mars being the Roman god of war) |
| On numerous occasions Marvin has tried to destroy the Earth (it obstructs his view of Venus) with his "Uranium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulator", which resembles a mere stick of dynamite |
I'd love to know how the idea of a character trying to destroy the entire earth is less violent than a character smashing up a piece of office equiptment. Perhaps Marvin is innocent because he's a cartoon?
'Cause cartoons have never been offensively perverse and violent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvENAkt-wY8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRpWTZY9mME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG210B05_ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSi5sKWRWRI
Edited to fix some formatting problems. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 10:15:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I also found it amusing that you selected a religious website to find your quotes. Why not use the real words. Why rely on the writings of a religion with which you do not agree.
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Amusing? I'd say effective. Using the words of a religious web site leaves no room for the "taken out of context" argument. Unless you claim that that religious web site was wrong in their understanding of the real words. Now you have to contend with what your fellow religionist are saying about the words in your sacred book.
Perhaps you should try to critically evaluate its contents instead just believing. You might find yourself experiencing a completely different kind of revelation.
Wow: spell check flagged critically and experiencing
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Amusing because religions disagree about many things. That is why I am not religious.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 10:17:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Originally posted by pleco
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Please explain what noun did the wiring.
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NO!
You made the assertion. You back it up.
For the third time, prove your assertion of truth that:
"Wired in denotes someone to do the wiring."
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I notice you ducked on answering this, so I will bring it up again.
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Leoofno answered and I commended him.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 10:19:59 [Permalink]
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Fripp asked, "So you pick and choose what you will and will not base your morals on, correct?"
Correct.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 10:46:48 [Permalink]
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Thanks for being honest.
900 posts , damn your tearing it up Jerome. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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4574 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 10:54:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Fripp asked, "So you pick and choose what you will and will not base your morals on, correct?"
Correct. |
Uh-huh. So by what criteria do you make your choices? Or do you just flip coins or spin bottles or something?
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 11:01:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by pleco
Originally posted by pleco
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Please explain what noun did the wiring.
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NO!
You made the assertion. You back it up.
For the third time, prove your assertion of truth that:
"Wired in denotes someone to do the wiring."
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I notice you ducked on answering this, so I will bring it up again.
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Leoofno answered and I commended him.
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No, you said "someone" - so did you mean to say "something"? |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
1888 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 11:02:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Amusing because religions disagree about many things. That is why I am not religious.
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So you are either a liar or are playing a pointless game of devils advocate. A liar because you have made many arguments typical of the religious. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 11:04:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Amusing because religions disagree about many things. That is why I am not religious.
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So you are either a liar or are playing a pointless game of devils advocate. A liar because you have made many arguments typical of the religious.
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Perhaps he has a "personal relationship" with god, which is the standard response from evangelical christians when they try to rationalize away the dogma of their particular sect of religion. |
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Atheism and Morals
