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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/22/2007 : 11:19:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Perhaps he has a "personal relationship" with god, which is the standard response from evangelical christians when they try to rationalize away the dogma of their particular sect of religion.
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Yeah. Remember, Jerome labors under the delusion that he takes all of his information from the source--he gets nothing second hand. He is a free thinker unfettered by the opinions and biases that filter the information other people receive.
This is demonstrably false, of course, as evidenced by his reliance upon creationist websites for information on evolution (or his delusion that he understands and honors the real spirit of the 10 commandments unsullied by centuries of religious dogma). But what Jerome is really doing is cherry-picking. He's more like The Decider, sitting in a padded armchair and letting advocates parade in front of him while he selects only what he likes. He is deeply confused if he thinks that constitutes coming to an informed and unbiased position. It is the opposite of that.
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Fripp
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 12:05:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Fripp asked, "So you pick and choose what you will and will not base your morals on, correct?"
Correct.
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Of course, you cherry-picked the easiest 16 words to answer...
Care to address the other 378?
You need to focus. You claim your morals are based on the ten commandments. I have clearly provided the facts of what the ten commandments state. Are your morals based on the "bible-labelled" ten commandments? YES or NO? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 12:12:09 [Permalink]
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 12:25:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Thanks for being honest.
900 posts , damn your tearing it up Jerome.
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No shit-- he's averaging over 21 posts per day! It's like HYBRID but with less shouting. (And HYBRID was banned with just 344 posts-- but for awhile, his average was ridiculous!) |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 14:37:21 [Permalink]
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| Lots of fundamentalists claim that they're not religious, but they're only referring to organized religion, like the Catholic Church. They simply refuse to acknowledge that the adjective 'religious' has more than one meaning. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 14:42:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Lots of fundamentalists claim that they're not religious, but they're only referring to organized religion, like the Catholic Church. They simply refuse to acknowledge that the adjective 'religious' has more than one meaning.
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Amazing how "willfully ignorant" seems to fit so many aspects of the fundamentalist's world view.
Maybe they should start wearing "W.W.J.I." |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 16:45:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by marfknox
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This is off-topic, but I wanted to ask if there were some smiley that could convey that stunned look that goes with reading some of the logic-defying comments that are sometimes posted here. You sit there for a minute sort of stupefied and think "is this guy serious" and I wish I had an emoticon for that. I have used " " sometimes, but that's really a different expression.
OK, back on topic.
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How about this? 
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 16:59:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You may choose to speak to a person of such low morality and low self esteem; I choose against.
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Jerome, you don't know anything about H. Humbert's morality.
Not only are you a stupid creationist troll: you're judgemental too...
 
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 17:08:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Just what I asked; has science shown a new genetic creature created.
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The Nylon Eating Bug. A clear example how a bacteria evolved through a genetic mutation to start feeding on nylon waste.
With clear pictures of "before mutation" DNA sequence, and "after mutation" DNA sequence. There is no question at all as to what happened, why, and what effects it have.
The bacteria has a completely new, never seen before in nature, food source. Since it cannot longer live on carbohydrates, it is by the very definition a new species, just as novel as a fish starting to live on land. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 17:27:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
That is why I am not religious.
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I don't believe you. |
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 17:54:12 [Permalink]
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Jerome, you seem to feel that all justice comes from the 10 commandments but have you given thought to all of the other societies with their own unique histories and moral development. We're talking about the great majority of people that have ever lived. Asian, African and societies from points in between have ideals of morality that have nothing to do with the 10 commandments. So why not Atheists, agnostics or even the Mormons? The way you began this topic highlights your biases. You may not want to accept that but it's something to think about. If you do think about it, try to do it outside the box you've been in.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 18:22:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You may choose to speak to a person of such low morality and low self esteem; I choose against.
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Jerome, you don't know anything about H. Humbert's morality.
Not only are you a stupid creationist troll: you're judgemental too...
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How would the reaction of the forum been if I had started the topic with:
Atheist accept 12 year old child rape as part of there moral code as they have no moral code.
If you find this an appropriate argument, lets have the discussion.
If you find this an inappropriate argument, why?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 18:26:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Lots of fundamentalists claim that they're not religious, but they're only referring to organized religion, like the Catholic Church. They simply refuse to acknowledge that the adjective 'religious' has more than one meaning.
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I am not a fundamentalist. I do not believe in organizing people to "worship" God in a prescribe way; this is done to control people.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 18:27:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Thanks for being honest.
900 posts , damn your tearing it up Jerome.
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No shit-- he's averaging over 21 posts per day! It's like HYBRID but with less shouting. (And HYBRID was banned with just 344 posts-- but for awhile, his average was ridiculous!)
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I have made an effort to answer most posts that respond. I assumed that was the polite thing to do.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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4574 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 18:27:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
How would the reaction of the forum been if I had started the topic with:
Atheist accept 12 year old child rape as part of there moral code as they have no moral code.
If you find this an appropriate argument, lets have the discussion.
If you find this an inappropriate argument, why? |
Except atheists clearly do have morals, if maybe not codified. However, it's fair game to question things not listed in your moral code when you claim to get all of your morals from a single, limited source.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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| Edited by - H. Humbert on 06/22/2007 18:28:29 |
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Atheism and Morals
