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JEROME DA GNOME
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Filthy, I agree these are not groups that I want controlling this government. The point I would make is that if government has little control over the individual, than it would not matter what group seeks power.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 07:02:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Yet it seems at every turn of disagreement I am called dishonest. Why is that? |
It seems that way because you are being dishonest. If you were honest with yourself, and performed an unbiased cataloging of "every turn" of disagreement you've had here, you would find that most of them did not involve anyone calling you dishonest. You choose to remember the ones where you were called dishonest, and you choose to forget the ones where you were simply shown to be wrong. It's pure confirmation bias.
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You have asked me to reply.
Your are stating that I am dishonest because I claimed I was called dishonest.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Not being religious, I could not be classified as a fundie.
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Never the less, you play their game so expertly, that having to bet between you being a fundi, or you lying when you said you're not: I'd bet on you lying. I'd even bet high stakes. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 08:01:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Not being religious, I could not be classified as a fundie.
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Never the less, you play their game so expertly, that having to bet between you being a fundi, or you lying when you said you're not: I'd bet on you lying. I'd even bet high stakes.
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Maybe the problem occurs when one assumes what another persons position is rather than a discussion of what is actually said.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 08:42:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Maybe the problem occurs when one assumes what another persons position is rather than a discussion of what is actually said. |
Gee, you mean like the shit you pull? Like in that thread about Libby's pardon when you assumed that all of us here will not mind when Hilary does even more outside the constitution? And how when you were rightly accused of trying to change the topic, you turned your accusation in a claim of fact? "You only hate those that are from the opposing party. Just admit that you can not see through your bias."
No, Jerome, the reason people here call you a troll and a liar is because you say one thing but do another. For another instance, like when you claim not to be here to "debate" anyone, only to engage in meaningful conversation, but then fail to correct your errors, misquote people, and add a little condescending smiley face to your insults--clearly gleeful that you were able to score a "point" in your favor.
We're not idiots, Jerome. We don't have memory problems. Your inconsistency--at turns combative, at others conciliatory--reveals you to be opportunistic rather than genuine. And that's why no one here can take you seriously any longer. Our appraisal of you is based on your pattern of dishonesty.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 09:35:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Yet it seems at every turn of disagreement I am called dishonest. Why is that? |
It seems that way because you are being dishonest. If you were honest with yourself, and performed an unbiased cataloging of "every turn" of disagreement you've had here, you would find that most of them did not involve anyone calling you dishonest. You choose to remember the ones where you were called dishonest, and you choose to forget the ones where you were simply shown to be wrong. It's pure confirmation bias. |
You have asked me to reply.
Your are stating that I am dishonest because I claimed I was called dishonest. |
Not at all. You asked why it is that to you it seems like you're getting called dishonest "at every turn of disagreement." I explained it to you. This reply of yours, which attempts but fails to summarize my explanation, indicates that you either truly do not understand what I said, or you're being purposefully obtuse. |
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moakley
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 19:00:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The pharasees perverted Gods law. |
Once again: just a repetition of what Jerome thinks is true, as if that will magically make it become true. No rebuttal, no evidence, no nothing.
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So, Dave why was Jesus angry with the pharasess if it was not the perversion of Gods laws?
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Since you are not religious (your words, but I suspect you are risking eternal damnation) why is this important? And for Bob's sake why don't you answer the question? A simple request for evidence. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 19:24:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The pharasees perverted Gods law. |
Once again: just a repetition of what Jerome thinks is true, as if that will magically make it become true. No rebuttal, no evidence, no nothing.
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So, Dave why was Jesus angry with the pharasess if it was not the perversion of Gods laws?
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Since you are not religious (your words, but I suspect you are risking eternal damnation) why is this important? And for Bob's sake why don't you answer the question? A simple request for evidence.
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In fact I actively dissuade people I come into contact with from religion.
Keep in mind no evidence was provided from the initial poster. Although I do enjoy the standards, it makes it fair for the others. 
Mat 15:3 (this is Jesus speaking to the pharisees)
"Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?"
Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."
Mark 7:5-7 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
These are just a few of the claims of Jesus against the pharisees. They perverted the laws of God.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 19:27:41 [Permalink]
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Moakley asked why is this important?
Because facts are important to understanding anything. Correct knowledge is always helpful.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 22:55:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The pharasees perverted Gods law. |
Once again: just a repetition of what Jerome thinks is true, as if that will magically make it become true. No rebuttal, no evidence, no nothing.
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So, Dave why was Jesus angry with the pharasess if it was not the perversion of Gods laws?
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Since you are not religious (your words, but I suspect you are risking eternal damnation) why is this important? And for Bob's sake why don't you answer the question? A simple request for evidence.
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In fact I actively dissuade people I come into contact with from religion.
Keep in mind no evidence was provided from the initial poster. Although I do enjoy the standards, it makes it fair for the others.
Mat 15:3 (this is Jesus speaking to the pharisees)
"Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?"
Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."
Mark 7:5-7 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
These are just a few of the claims of Jesus against the pharisees. They perverted the laws of God.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 00:29:04 [Permalink]
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Valiant Dancer, so when I provide evidence that is asked for I am insulted again.
Do you even read the thread before posting?
According to you a monolithic conspiracy means a multitude of groups with different goals not in conjunction, as such your opinion holds no value.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 07:34:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer, so when I provide evidence that is asked for I am insulted again.
Do you even read the thread before posting?
According to you a monolithic conspiracy means a multitude of groups with different goals not in conjunction, as such your opinion holds no value.
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And your unevidenced and whiney opinion should matter..... why? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 10:34:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer, so when I provide evidence that is asked for I am insulted again.
Do you even read the thread before posting?
According to you a monolithic conspiracy means a multitude of groups with different goals not in conjunction, as such your opinion holds no value.
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And your unevidenced and whiney opinion should matter..... why?
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I was providing evidence of fact as asked, please read before you respond.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 12:52:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer, so when I provide evidence that is asked for I am insulted again.
Do you even read the thread before posting?
According to you a monolithic conspiracy means a multitude of groups with different goals not in conjunction, as such your opinion holds no value.
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And your unevidenced and whiney opinion should matter..... why?
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I was providing evidence of fact as asked, please read before you respond.
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I did read. Your assertation of fact lacks evidence. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 12:57:14 [Permalink]
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Valiant Dancer said:
| I did read. Your assertation of fact lacks evidence. |
The text is the evidence. It does not matter if one believes Jesus real or fiction; the question was his opinion of the pharasees.
I really do not get what you are doing. |
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Religion or Politics? Where to put it?
