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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 07/04/2007 : 13:53:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer said:
| I did read. Your assertation of fact lacks evidence. |
The text is the evidence. It does not matter if one believes Jesus real or fiction; the question was his opinion of the pharasees.
I really do not get what you are doing.
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Jesus never specified which of the many laws the Pharisees were breaking. Considering there are a lot of laws laied down in the Old Testament, he should have been more specific. Unless he was talking about his own set of "laws" that he was sent to install upon God's people.
Pharisees were stickler for laws, and yes, perhaps they managed to break the spirit of the law by following the letter of the law. Who can really say, because the specifics of the charges were never adequately documented. A big mistake on the part of the New Testament authors. Especially Luke's, since he was supposed to have been the most thorough researcher of them all.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 15:09:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Valiant Dancer said:
| I did read. Your assertation of fact lacks evidence. |
The text is the evidence. It does not matter if one believes Jesus real or fiction; the question was his opinion of the pharasees.
I really do not get what you are doing.
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Jesus never specified which of the many laws the Pharisees were breaking. Considering there are a lot of laws laied down in the Old Testament, he should have been more specific. Unless he was talking about his own set of "laws" that he was sent to install upon God's people.
Pharisees were stickler for laws, and yes, perhaps they managed to break the spirit of the law by following the letter of the law. Who can really say, because the specifics of the charges were never adequately documented. A big mistake on the part of the New Testament authors. Especially Luke's, since he was supposed to have been the most thorough researcher of them all.
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Your response shows convoluted thinking.
You asked which laws were they breaking and also that they extrapaleated the law.
Which are you stating that he said?
My statement was that they were perverting the law.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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moakley
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 17:43:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Mat 15:3 (this is Jesus speaking to the pharisees)
"Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?"
Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."
Mark 7:5-7 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
These are just a few of the claims of Jesus against the pharisees. They perverted the laws of God.
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The human author of Mark would be (should have been) aware of previous God thoughts of earlier human author of Isaiah. It is just as likely that this is just a fabrication by the author of Mark. That is unless you have some independent, non-biblical, source to confirm that Jesus actually said these words. Otherwise you are using as evidence a collection of little books that I consider fabulous.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
These are just a few of the claims of Jesus against the pharisees. They perverted the laws of God.
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Now there you go again. I consider it presumptive of you to assume a God, much less laws of God. A lot of fiction has bad guys. A lot of fiction includes the supernatural. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/04/2007 : 18:45:21 [Permalink]
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You all are lost arguing as to whether the bible is fact.
I am arguing that the bible says such.
Once again you are not thinking but talking TO someone other than me about something I am not saying.
Assuming the bible is fiction it still says what it says. You really should read what I wrote prior to replying.
Lets start again; current religious leaders use religion to control people like what Jesus said concerning the pharsees in the bible.
This was stated incorrect because it was said the Jesus did not say this. I was asked to provide evidence of him saying this. I did. This is not different than stating that Frodo spoke to Gandolph in the Fellowship of the ring, and providing text from the novel as proof.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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