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Original_Intent
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 Posted - 07/29/2007 : 14:37:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
| 1) Public service of some sort after high school. Almost anyone could do something. |
I would only accept this if the public service time required no pre-conditions. In other words, if someone is a HS drop out and never got their diploma, they can still do their service to become a full citizen once they are 18. If someone has a severe disability, has done time in juvenile detention, whatever it may be that limits them - so long as they are free and willing to do their service, they should be given that opportunity, period. |
I entirely agree, it's the age I was shooting for. Everyone can do something was used for people with disabilities.
| 2) Civice exam with passing score. Anybody who cares to prep should be able to pass it |
I just love it when people so casually write crap like this. Who decides what goes on the exam? What do you think should be on the exam? How do we ensure that alternative test-taking measures for people with learning disabilities are equal? If "anyone who cares to prep" can pass it, how could it possibly have any meaning? What is the point of creating one more hoop for people to jump through? Voting should be kept as simple as possible. Same day registration should be available in every state as it is in Minnesota (of course Republicans don't like that 'cause it gets more young people and other new voters to vote more often, and those people tend to not vote Republican) If you can get your ass to the voting booth and have a clear enough mind to know what the hell you are there for, you are "smart" enough to vote, period!
Tests for voting are just a plain shitty idea. I say this as both a teacher and as someone who has looked at the history of tests for voting in America.
Any limitations on representation for people who live in a nation bothers me. The vote is such a small thing for an individual, but powerful in the hands of the masses. It bothers me when ex-convicts are stripped of their right to vote, because who is more affected by the system of government than a convict?
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Free and open voting by every moron out there, ain't that America.... "Vote for me, I'll take care of you. I'll make sure them so and so's can't do this or that". Never mind that a simpleton that get's some rudimentary education on the subject could go "He's full of shit, He can't do that......" Yeah, these are the lights that will guide us.....
Yes, one more hoop. A pretty simple one. Who needs people who vote just to vote, who can get themselves to the bvoting booth and vote for someone, with absolutley no clue on what exactly they are voting for.
As far as convicts...... The scumbags shouldn't even be able to breath, let a lone vote. Now before you get all half-cocked.... I am talking about your rapist/murdered/scum-suckin' bottom dweller.
THe rest... indentured servitude..... Hell, we could save a ton of medical dollars by having them work as nurses aides in the nursing homes.
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marty
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Posted - 08/03/2007 : 21:35:57 [Permalink]
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| How about any citizen that is a net drain on society does not get the vote. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/03/2007 : 21:50:47 [Permalink]
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| How about any citizen that is a net drain on society does not get the vote. |
Oh, that's a lovely idea for all the severely disabled people out there. And how do you propose we measure peoples' contributions and drain, so we can objectively measure the two against each other?
Edited to add: Oh, I guess my severely physically retarded cousin would be fine under this system since his parents are wealthy enough to give him a trust fund and pay for all his care. Whew! Good thing he's not from a lower income family and dependent on the state. Then he would not deserve representation, right? |
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 08/03/2007 : 21:55:42 [Permalink]
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| How about any citizen that is a net drain on society may not reproduce. I seem to remember it being easier to get a pregnancy license in that movie if you were a citizen. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 02:45:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
How about any citizen that is a net drain on society may not reproduce. I seem to remember it being easier to get a pregnancy license in that movie if you were a citizen.
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You remember correctly. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 07:37:42 [Permalink]
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OFFC wrote: | How about any citizen that is a net drain on society may not reproduce. |
You're being sarcastic, right? |
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marty
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 08:31:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
| How about any citizen that is a net drain on society does not get the vote. |
Oh, that's a lovely idea for all the severely disabled people out there. And how do you propose we measure peoples' contributions and drain, so we can objectively measure the two against each other?
Edited to add: Oh, I guess my severely physically retarded cousin would be fine under this system since his parents are wealthy enough to give him a trust fund and pay for all his care. Whew! Good thing he's not from a lower income family and dependent on the state. Then he would not deserve representation, right?
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As a people can progressively vote themselves a free lunch society will progressively create less producers and more dependents. There will, at some point, become an imbalance in which there are not enough producers.
Having wealth does not make one a producer. For instance, I think prisoners should not have the vote, yet a former convict with a job should have the vote. Having a job should be the first requirement for the vote; does it really make sense that one could vote to force their previous employer to pay for ones inability to keep a job?
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Ricky
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 11:16:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
OFFC wrote: | How about any citizen that is a net drain on society may not reproduce. |
You're being sarcastic, right?
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No, he is quite correct about the contents of the book. |
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Requirement for Citizenship?
