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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 20:28:50 [Permalink]
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Jerome, you are deliberately ignoring an essential part of the quote from Wiki that you yourself repeated:| ... Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors. |
That directly contradicts your lie that the Miller-Urey experiment was a failed attempt to create life. Shame on you, liar.
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Originally posted by Ricky
Hypothesis:a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences
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Jerome, this is the equivalent of looking up the word "faithful" and expecting to find "a group action is faithful if its kernel is the identity". You won't find scientific (or mathematical) definitions in a dictionary.
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http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Hypothesis
"supposition that appears to explain a group of phenomena and is advanced as a basis for further investigation, a proposition that is subject to proof or to an experimental or statistical test."
Looks like the explaination of life beginning from non life is a hypothesis.
Looks like the explanation of life beginning from life is a hypothesis.
Based on the scientific definition of hypothesis.
The point I am making is that where life came from is in dispute. It seems that even if it is allowed that the possibly that life only comes from life that an entire belief system falls apart. Not very skeptical.
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 20:36:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
More argumentum ad dictionarium from Jerome... how unsuprising.
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Why do you find it a problem to use definitions of words to find the meaning of words?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 20:39:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Jerome, you are deliberately ignoring an essential part of the quote from Wiki that you yourself repeated:| ... Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors. |
That directly contradicts your lie that the Miller-Urey experiment was a failed attempt to create life. Shame on you, liar.
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Your right, they were trying to create the compounds needed for life. It shows how far from the creation of life that science currently is.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 20:44:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Jerome, you are deliberately ignoring an essential part of the quote from Wiki that you yourself repeated:| ... Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors. |
That directly contradicts your lie that the Miller-Urey experiment was a failed attempt to create life. Shame on you, liar.
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Your [sic] right, they were trying to create the compounds needed for life. It shows how far from the creation of life that science currently is.
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 20:58:16 [Permalink]
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trollboy said:
Why do you find it a problem to use definitions of words to find the meaning of words?
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A dictionary is a great reference Jerome. To bad that you use it inappropriately. You try to alter context and use improper definitions of words to make a point.
In no way, shape, or form is "goddidit" a hypothesis. It is an unevidenced conclusion, you'd just like it to be a hypothesis to lend it some credibility.
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 21:01:04 [Permalink]
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Trollboy said:
| The point I am making is that where life came from is in dispute. |
No, it isn't, Jerome. No credible person believes that life has anything other than 100% natural origins.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 21:01:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
| Looks like the explanation of life beginning from life is a hypothesis. |
Care to rethink this one?
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Ahh, so it is fact that life does come from life.
It is hypothesis (supposition that appears to explain a group of phenomena) that life comes from non life.
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 21:03:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Trollboy said:
| The point I am making is that where life came from is in dispute. |
No, it isn't, Jerome. No credible person believes that life has anything other than 100% natural origins.
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Is other life not natural?
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Dude
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 21:04:58 [Permalink]
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Half said:
Jerome, you are deliberately ignoring an essential part of the quote from Wiki that you yourself repeated:
... Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors.
That directly contradicts your lie that the Miller-Urey experiment was a failed attempt to create life. Shame on you, liar.
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Half, I think he really doesn't understand the difference. He probably thinks that "organic" means "life", when in chemistry all "organic" means is there is a carbon atom involved.
If he would only take a few minutes to read and understand stuff, and just admit he doesn't know didly about biology or chemistry, he wouldn't come off as such a tool here.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 21:05:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
trollboy said:
Why do you find it a problem to use definitions of words to find the meaning of words?
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A dictionary is a great reference Jerome. To bad that you use it inappropriately. You try to alter context and use improper definitions of words to make a point.
In no way, shape, or form is "goddidit" a hypothesis. It is an unevidenced conclusion, you'd just like it to be a hypothesis to lend it some credibility.
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Show me where in this thread that I did any of the above you claim in reference to dictionary usage.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dude
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 21:06:32 [Permalink]
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trollboy said:
Is other life not natural?
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Honestly, its as if you are participating in a different conversation than the one I'm in. WTF are you talking about now? What the hell is "other life"?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 21:08:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Half said:
Jerome, you are deliberately ignoring an essential part of the quote from Wiki that you yourself repeated:
... Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors.
That directly contradicts your lie that the Miller-Urey experiment was a failed attempt to create life. Shame on you, liar.
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Half, I think he really doesn't understand the difference. He probably thinks that "organic" means "life", when in chemistry all "organic" means is there is a carbon atom involved.
If he would only take a few minutes to read and understand stuff, and just admit he doesn't know didly about biology or chemistry, he wouldn't come off as such a tool here.
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"they were trying to create the compounds needed for life. It shows how far from the creation of life that science currently is."
To bad you lack the ability to understand a single sentence. Why do you respond with nothing other than faith based claims and contextually incorrect insults.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Abiogenesis
