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Bill scott
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 Posted - 07/24/2007 : 10:28:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Wow , Ive seen some worthless arguements in my time but this one is just so new and special.
He didnt have the choice of being an evolutionist. Boy he sure was a moron for not subscribing to quantum theory, don't you think?!? I bet he didnt even have the internet!
Edit: I was a bit too insulting.
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I was asked to come up with some examples of creationists making worthy contributions to science. I provided a list of over 1600 with Newton being a well know example. If you don't like it that I provided such a detailed list then that is a you problem. Now quit moving the goal post just because I provided a detailed list to the request. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 10:32:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Clearly it was a poor remark from Kil, he should have said important contributions to evolutionary studies. The point stands though.
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Plenty of creationist offer worth while contributions to macro-evolution theory, they dismiss it. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 10:48:15 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by H. Humbert |
| I don't blame Newton for not subscribing to the Theory of Evolution any more than I would fault him for not knowing how to use a microwave oven, because neither had been invented yet. |
Exactly right, both are inventions of man and nothing more. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 10:55:32 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Siberia |
| As for the just a theory... gravity's 'just a theory' too, ya know. I don't see the likes of you complaining about it's shaky theory-ness. |
But gravity has been observed.
| The rest, I'll let more competent people reply. I may be more rude than I'm already being, as I'm highly intolerant of willfull (or whatever you spell that) blindness. It's useless, anyway. The blinkers are firmly set in place... |
That goes both ways sister.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 10:58:42 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Siberia |
| And frankly, I doubt you'll find any biologists, if there is any, who are qualified to give opinions on evolution - just like the cardiologist/neurologist situation. |
That is because it is an invented field of study, just ask H.H. Heck, it hadn't even been invented yet in the days of Newton.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:13:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
That is because it is an invented field of study, just ask H.H. Heck, it hadn't even been invented yet in the days of Newton.
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Hey! And now you're going to try to twist my words to mean the opposite of what I said! Thank for proving yourself to be 100% pure grade-A internet troll incapable of holding an honest discussion. Really, it saves a lot of time.
It just goes to show--there is no such thing as an honest creationist.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:22:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Bill scott
That is because it is an invented field of study, just ask H.H. Heck, it hadn't even been invented yet in the days of Newton.
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Hey! And now you're going to try to twist my words to mean the opposite of what I said! Thank for proving yourself to be 100% pure grade-A internet troll incapable of holding an honest discussion. Really, it saves a lot of time.
It just goes to show--there is no such thing as an honest creationist.
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From the very mouth of H.H.
I don't blame Newton for not subscribing to the Theory of Evolution any more than I would fault him for not knowing how to use a microwave oven, because neither had been invented yet. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:22:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Clearly it was a poor remark from Kil, he should have said important contributions to evolutionary studies. The point stands though.
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I wouldn't even put the blame on Kil, since anyone with half a brain understood what he meant. Chalk this up to bill purposely distorting Kil's intended meaning so he could argue against a straw-man. It's not like it's the first time bill's done this, as both filthy and I can attest.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:25:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
From the very mouth of H.H.
I don't blame Newton for not subscribing to the Theory of Evolution any more than I would fault him for not knowing how to use a microwave oven, because neither had been invented yet.
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Yes, the theory hadn't been formulated yet, but evolution had been going on since the beginning of life on Earth. Just as microwave oven hadn't been invented yet, but microwaves had always been around.
Is that clear enough for you, bill? Or do you want to continue to misrepresent my words as if I was claiming evolution itself is an invention? Don't answer that. We already know that you are incapable of honesty.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:29:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by Kil
So, your saying creationists have come up with some actual science of their own that is worthy of consideration?
Name it. |
There propbably is not room for over 1600 examples so I offered the link:
http://www.tektonics.org/scim/sciencemony.htm |
I don't see anyone listed who's made contributions to creation science.
Nobody's disputing that scientists can be Christians, Bill. Few people will dispute the idea that scientists can be creationists. But the "creation science" that we've seen to date is nothing more than denial of evolution, most often based upon serious ignorance of evolution. Kil's "actual science of their own" would refer to that: science that supports creationism.
A few examples from the big list:
Sylvia Baker denies evolution. But she believes that the mere existence of recessive genes disproves evolution, she uses the "half an eye" argument, she misunderstands the Cambrian era's fossils, she thinks that fossil "graveyards" are evidence for a global flood, she goofs up both gradualism and uniformitarianism, etc. I see no evidence that she is doing science that supports creationism.
Behe, of course, denies "macroevolution," but he hasn't done a lick of research that supports Intelligent Design at all. He is 100% evolution denial, except for the one experiment he did which he admitted (under oath) probably would have supported evolutionary theory had it been larger. Plus, he's a damned Catholic. 
Jerry R. Bergman denies evolution, too. But he believes that natural selection is a tautology, that there is an "evolutionary scale," that climates and environments "have been fairly stable for eons," and other anti-evolution nonsense. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:30:47 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by H. Humbert |
| I don't blame Newton for not subscribing to the Theory of Evolution any more than I would fault him for not knowing how to use a microwave oven, because neither had been invented yet. |
Right, both are inventions of man.
| It just goes to show--there is no such thing as an honest creationist. |
Boy, you atheist/materialist/humanists really get your feathers ruffled when someone takes your ramblings literal.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dave W.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:41:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
...all the scientists still alive today who reject ToE and/or subscribe to a creation account. |
Name one who does either on the basis of an actual scientific argument. |
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ryri
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:45:18 [Permalink]
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Bill Scott is a brave man amongst those who simply find him unacceptable. It's a shame that one man makes a statement, and everyone else must spend the rest of their day in upheaval.
If you find yourself intelligent, please act like it.
Then again, after reading the malice replies and conjecture of many creationists and evolutionists on this forum, I suppose there are those who are just not very... "evolved."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:55:53 [Permalink]
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Weclome to the SFN, ryri.Originally posted by ryri
Bill Scott is a brave man amongst those who simply find him unacceptable. |
Bill is a proponent of the dumbing-down of the planet through arrogance, ignorance and anti-science. It is most certainly not a simple matter of finding him unacceptable.| It's a shame that one man makes a statement, and everyone else must spend the rest of their day in upheaval. |
You're giving Bill far too much power.If you find yourself intelligent, please act like it.
Then again, after reading the malice replies and conjecture of many creationists and evolutionists on this forum, I suppose there are those who are just not very... "evolved." |
Seems to me that registering to make such a post drags you down to the level you're criticizing. |
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