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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/21/2007 : 18:22:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The data shows co2 increases follow warming. |
And other data shows that man is spewing out more CO2 than is accountable for by natural causes, and still other data show that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Your historical data does not include non-natural causes of warming, and so you are purposefully hampering your own ability to be fully informed by insisting that you should take such data and draw conclusions from it alone. |
What percentage of co2 in the atmosphere is due to man?
(this is one of those questions that if you answer with data blows away your argument)
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 18:24:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
And the most-optimistic current speculation still has the global climate warming and causing problems for humans, even though one marketing expert says the models are wrong. None of the current models predict temperatures remaining the same or going down.
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How accurate are global weather predictions?
How accurate are local weather predictions?
(two more questions that answered honestly blow away your argument)
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 18:47:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dave W.
And the most-optimistic current speculation still has the global climate warming and causing problems for humans, even though one marketing expert says the models are wrong. None of the current models predict temperatures remaining the same or going down.
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How accurate are global weather predictions?
How accurate are local weather predictions?
(two more questions that answered honestly blow away your argument) |
Are weather and climate the same thing?
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 18:54:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dv82matt
Are weather and climate the same thing?
(one question that aswered honestly blows away your argument)
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Opps, you should have researched first.
climate:the average course or condition of the weather at a place usually over a period of years as exhibited by temperature, wind velocity, and precipitation
weather:the state of the atmosphere with respect to heat or cold, wetness or dryness, calm or storm, clearness or cloudiness
Looks like climate would be harder to predict than just weather!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 19:09:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by dv82matt
Are weather and climate the same thing?
(one question that aswered honestly blows away your argument)
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Opps, you should have researched first. |
What's to research? Weather and climate are not the same thing so your questions were merely a dishonest or amatuer attempt at rhetoric.
climate:the average course or condition of the weather at a place usually over a period of years as exhibited by temperature, wind velocity, and precipitation
weather:the state of the atmosphere with respect to heat or cold, wetness or dryness, calm or storm, clearness or cloudiness
Looks like climate would be harder to predict than just weather! |
Why do you think that? |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 19:22:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
What percentage of co2 in the atmosphere is due to man?
(this is one of those questions that if you answer with data blows away your argument) |
By the ice core data you presented in another thread, current CO2 levels are approximately 129% of the historical peak, which would mean that - from the limited historical data you've presented - 22.22% of the CO2 in the atmosphere today is due to man's contributions alone. How does this "blow away" any argument?How accurate are global weather predictions?
How accurate are local weather predictions?
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How would it? What, in your opinion, would the "honest" answer be?
From where I sit, the accuracy itself isn't important. What is is that the accuracy has been increasing every year for the last decade, and has never once in that time predicted the status quo. I don't doubt that 20 years from now we'll look back on our current ability to predict climate and sneer at its crappy accuracy from the public beach surrounding the Washington Monument.  |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 20:35:10 [Permalink]
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Carbon dioxide is .038% of the atmosphere
Man causes .032% of the co2 since the Pre-industrial baseline.
If man produced no co2 starting today the impact would be .001%.
Eliminating .001% of greenhouse gases will do what exactly?
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_atmosphere |
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 20:48:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Carbon dioxide is .038% of the atmosphere
Man causes .032% of the co2 since the Pre-industrial baseline. |
That's not what you asked. Way to move the goalposts.| Eliminating .001% of greenhouse gases will do what exactly? |
Quite a bit, actually. You go ahead and wallow in your ignorance of the mechanisms invovled. Please, continue to refuse to answer questions. It'll all ensure that your opinion is more and more marginalized over time, which I think will be just dandy. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 20:56:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Carbon dioxide is .038% of the atmosphere
Man causes .032% of the co2 since the Pre-industrial baseline. |
That's not what you asked. Way to move the goalposts. |
Wrong, here is my quote:
| What percentage of co2 in the atmosphere is due to man? |
You did not answer because you knew the answer; and you know that it defeats the scary propaganda of MMGW.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 21:17:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Wrong, here is my quote:| What percentage of co2 in the atmosphere is due to man? |
You did not answer because you knew the answer; and you know that it defeats the scary propaganda of MMGW. |
No, because the answer to your question is "22% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is due to man's activities given the ice-core data you cling to like a barnacle, Jerome." You, instead, trot out what percentage of the whole atmosphere is due to man's release of CO2, as if that were the same thing, and then link to a page that purports to tell people the truth about greenhouse gasses without noting anything about CO2's effects upon water vapor. Your source, Jerome, is purposefully hiding data from you in order to score political points. You linking to it as evidence to support your case is proof that such anti-science works on the general populace, much to my horror. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 21:46:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Wrong, here is my quote:| What percentage of co2 in the atmosphere is due to man? |
You did not answer because you knew the answer; and you know that it defeats the scary propaganda of MMGW. |
No, because the answer to your question is "22% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is due to man's activities given the ice-core data you cling to like a barnacle, Jerome." You, instead, trot out what percentage of the whole atmosphere is due to man's release of CO2, as if that were the same thing, and then link to a page that purports to tell people the truth about greenhouse gasses without noting anything about CO2's effects upon water vapor. Your source, Jerome, is purposefully hiding data from you in order to score political points. You linking to it as evidence to support your case is proof that such anti-science works on the general populace, much to my horror.
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Even if the 22% is true, mans stopping of co2 emissions (100% reduction) would account for .008% reduction of greenhouse gases.
What exactly would the reduction of .008% of greenhouse gases do?
Keep in mind this represents the reduction of 100% of mans co2 emissions; leaving man to bicycles and wood stoves.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 21:56:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Even if the 22% is true, mans stopping of co2 emissions (100% reduction) would account for .008% reduction of greenhouse gases. |
Only if you ignore the effects on water vapor, which is exactly what your political friends want you to do, despite their putting on a false front decrying the media's lack of attention to water vapor. They've got you suckered but good, Jerome. |
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filthy
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 Posted - 07/22/2007 : 02:57:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The data presented show that the current high is within the average fluctuation in the last 100 years.
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The point blew right by you, didn't it?
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 06:34:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
The point blew right by you, didn't it?
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Another Roy Orbison moment for Jerome: Blew By You.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 07:13:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The data presented show that the current high is within the average fluctuation in the last 100 years.
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The point blew right by you, didn't it?
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No, it actually entered his right ear and then passed, unimpeded, through to the left and out. |
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