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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 21:04:14 [Permalink]
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marfknox.....
OK, weird. I don't see that as a perjorative.
It WOULD have been safer, but I would not have gotten the glimpse of your approach to the subject matter that you later addressed directly.
I don't agree that your answer was vague or dull. It was broad, but I am fine with that. "I don't give a "flying fuck" is both clever and specific. "Seriously, I don't care" is quite direct. I find your answers refreshingly candid, direct and quite to the point of the question I asked.
Did you mean your interest was "piqued" in the sense of excited or aroused, or did you mean that your interest was "peaked" in the sense of elevated to a maximum, by a specific sighting repeating and being studied by science? I ask this not to be pretentious, but in order to more fully understand one skeptic's opinion of UFO phenomena.
I appreciate your view of Blue Book and the Condon report. Both are old, but that may or may not be relevant to their believability.
I have experienced several UFO sightings in my lifetime, and I strongly agree with most of your final paragraph.
I sincerely thank you for your sensible and reasoned answer to my original question in this thread. And I am pleased that you are a lady, not a tramp. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 21:20:12 [Permalink]
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Cune (I perceive that you are affectionately addressed by this contraction).....
Well, "a thousand times" is a bit hyperbolic, but one learns with a lot of practice. Thank you for the brownie points for improvement in communication skills. Actually, I did address him with the identical question I used in opening this thread, |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 21:28:22 [Permalink]
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Cune (that feels so good to a lazy person).......
Also maybe there was a hope that the unknown person that I was addressing both listened and thought before responding. Again, no blanket indictment, god(sorry)forbid, but if the shoe fits, don't go barefoot. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 22:03:53 [Permalink]
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Well, to divulge my opinion concerning the topic of the original question (not to be confused with the related purpose(s) of the original question), I must first consider any unintended meanings which may glint from my diamond-faceted words, either now or some time in the future when some other unknown seeker reads them in the personal glare of their own torch of experience. So rather than tread on sand where my footprints will be lost to the tide, I shall tread across forms of wet concrete. Suffice it to say, more Bng for your Buck(?), I myself have never witnessed a UFO, but neither has the blind man seen the elephant's ear (knowing nods go out to everyone who doesn't need to be spoon-fed, or shovel-fed). In light of your question then, the answer becomes as obvious as a door knocker. Still, the why spoil the puzzle for those still playing? I can honestly say both "both" and "neither." The nature and order of your queries has been infinitely informative, but I'm afraid I must tip-toe out the back door now (would you prefer I use a pogo stick?)
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marty
BANNED
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 Posted - 08/13/2007 : 22:18:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Well, to divulge my opinion concerning the topic of the original question (not to be confused with the related purpose(s) of the original question), I must first consider any unintended meanings which may glint from my diamond-faceted words, either now or some time in the future when some other unknown seeker reads them in the personal glare of their own torch of experience. So rather than tread on sand where my footprints will be lost to the tide, I shall tread across forms of wet concrete. Suffice it to say, more Bng for your Buck(?), I myself have never witnessed a UFO, but neither has the blind man seen the elephant's ear (knowing nods go out to everyone who doesn't need to be spoon-fed, or shovel-fed). In light of your question then, the answer becomes as obvious as a door knocker. Still, the why spoil the puzzle for those still playing? I can honestly say both "both" and "neither." The nature and order of your queries has been infinitely informative, but I'm afraid I must tip-toe out the back door now (would you prefer I use a pogo stick?)
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You had an edit and this is still how it came out?
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 22:43:32 [Permalink]
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| I find the accusations of being a "liar" about as tiresome as the accusations of being a "troll". Lies must be intentional. Technically, so is trolling. Could the people on this forum please stop acting as if they have the power of mind-reading? This is, after all, a skeptic forum. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 22:57:47 [Permalink]
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| It WOULD have been safer, but I would not have gotten the glimpse of your approach to the subject matter that you later addressed directly. |
What? What the fuck do my two x chromosomes - or my reaction to being called a "lady" – tell you about my approach to the subject matter?
| I don't agree that your answer was vague or dull. It was broad, but I am fine with that. "I don't give a "flying fuck" is both clever and specific. "Seriously, I don't care" is quite direct. I find your answers refreshingly candid, direct and quite to the point of the question I asked. |
Oh, gee, I'm so glad I pleased you. Do I get a cookie now? Pretty please?
| Did you mean your interest was "piqued" in the sense of excited or aroused, or did you mean that your interest was "peaked" in the sense of elevated to a maximum, by a specific sighting repeating and being studied by science? |
piqued. Are you going to have an orgasm now over having learned another mundane detail about one random self-declared "skeptic"'s opinion regarding the UFO phenomenon?
| I ask this not to be pretentious, but in order to more fully understand one skeptic's opinion of UFO phenomena. |
| And I am pleased that you are a lady, not a tramp. |
Fuck off, already.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 23:05:04 [Permalink]
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marty wrote: | I perceive a tight knit group that abhors outside thought that has even the most remote possibility of disrupting the "correct" world view. |
Here's something else tiresome - you not saying shit about the topic at hand, but instead persisting in derogatory generalizations of this group.
I joined SFN almost three years ago. Right away I decided to rock the boat with a debate on smoking bans 'cause Philly was considering the issue and I felt like discussing it. I was met with all kinds of interesting and diverse opposition and agreement (but mostly opposition) to my opinion. Since then I've gotten into huge spats with certain members, ticked off a few people, and seemingly also endeared myself to other people. This is typically what happens in any social grouping. And as far as I can tell, the social dynamics of this group have not impaired the critical thinking abilities of individual members. Get off your fucking high horse, marty. Are you here to discuss the topics or just here to play politeness police? |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 01:05:37 [Permalink]
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marfknox.....
Your gender told me nothing. You approached (took a path to) the subject matter by using two paragraphs to opine on my apparent interest in your gender. This is weird, no? Weird or not, it certainly told me something about you. And, who you are structures your approach to any subject.
Re the "oh gee,.... comment. I don't really understand the point of the sarcasm. I truly did not intend any sarcasm in the paragraph you refer to.
Well, there is a difference between merely initially stimulating an interest in a subject and raising that interest to a maximum. I wanted to know whether one random skeptic's opinion was affected only a little or a great deal by the repetition of and subsequent study by science of any UFO sighting. Even if, as kil suggested, one would take the sighting as hypothetical. I don't believe that acquiring that knowledge would be an orgasmic experience for me.
I do not pretend to understand the nuances of expression in the apparently hundreds of different animated smiley faces. As has been deduced by others here, I am a "newbie" and know little of accepted and revered Internet communication protocol. Richard Milton once attacked me viciously as "not following accepted Internet etiquette." Some of these vanities still escape me.
As to your final admonition, it is easier said than done. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 01:24:02 [Permalink]
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Your refusal to reply to the legitimate criticism leveled against you is noted bngbuck. Just admit you are nothing more than a troll and move on.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 08/14/2007 : 02:56:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Filthy.....
None of the persons you named have responded to me as yet. Nor have I found writings or debate dialog by any of them concerning anything having to do with UFOs. I suspect they are not interested in the subject matter.
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Hmm. I could'a won another bet with myself, had I made one.
I can almost guarantee that they are not interested simply because there is so little of substance to be interested in. It's the same reason that I have little interest in it beyond hearing/reading the stories. And most of those have become repetitive enough that they are no longer entertaining. I still enjoy crop circles, even though I pretty much know how they're done. Some of those take a lot of planning and exacting labor in the dark of the moon, and verge upon the artistic.
So, you've asked for opinions and I'll give you mine -- again, as I already stated it earlier but it probably got lost in the several-pages-ago shuffle.
Most of the good folks involved in large-group sightings of UFOs are going along with the crowd, like migrating lemmings over the cliff and into the sea. Lemmings-over-the-cliff is '50s Disney bullshit, but it'll do for the comparison. The True Believers will be all a'flutter over the sighting and, as we are a social species and no one wants to be left out, even the ones who saw nothing and wouldn't do more than shrug if they had, get all a'flutter too. In short: a form of herd instinct.
Of course, the crocodile lurking at the bottom of that cliff is that there has never been any solid evidence that, while unidentified flying objects certainly happen, Kang and Kronos have ever tried to abduct Homer, or the equivalent. Nor do I think that any such evidence will ever come to light, unless there is an alien species out there that has managed to circumvent the Laws of Physics.
My opinion...
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 09:07:03 [Permalink]
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bngbuck wrote: | Richard Milton once attacked me viciously as "not following accepted Internet etiquette." Some of these vanities still escape me. |
These vanities? You come in here, making superficial comments on peoples' usernames, and in my case, my gender Perhaps you think you're clever? Really it's annoying. Even more annoying is your subtle condescension and your analysis about individuals here. And I'm still trying to figure out "professional skeptic". |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 09:57:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Richard Milton once attacked me viciously as "not following accepted Internet etiquette." |
If you mean this Richard Milton, the man appears to be such a font of contrarianism that I would assume the opposite of any statement he makes. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 13:17:01 [Permalink]
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filthy.....
I sincerely appreciate your sensible reply to my request. With regard to Dawkins, et al, they may not be interested in the subject matter, and/or they may actually be way too busy to even reply (or have a staff member reply) to the doubtless thousands of enquiries they receive. I have had considerable correspondence with James Randi (not on this subject) and he is remarkably accessible, although up front with his need to limit the length of his replies due to the volume of his mail. As you undoubtedly know, he has written on UFOs, but it is difficult for any of the "woo-woo's" (his term, not mine) to conjure up a UFO on demand in application for a shot at the Million Dollar Prize.
If you have the page that your earlier post was on, I would like to re-read it. If not, don't bother, as one of the Friends suggested, I'll Google it.
In any event, thanks again for your (truly) valuable perspective on the subject. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 13:47:04 [Permalink]
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markknox.....
professional: Merriam Webster Online
A calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation. |
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