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 Posted - 09/21/2007 : 12:53:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I've added a choice Jerome quote to my sig to show how he's against the free operation of science. 
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If I had but one quote to choose, I think I'd go with:
The words are written and apparent on my monitor. --Jerome just before being revealed as a liar.
I still don't know how Jerome expects that one to go away all all by itself. Like you said, it isn't as if Jerome admitted to being a dupe of his own bias or, more importantly, apologized to anyone here for his insults and accusations of "denial."
As far as the quote from me he is currently using out of context, I only wish that he'd provide a link to the original. I stand by what I said, and every day he keeps it as his signature is another day of Jerome flaunting his ignorance.
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I've run into these types on other message boards as well. It's an exercise in futility to ever get them to admit they're wrong about anything... much less that they were willfully dishonest. |
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I. |
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 13:24:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Jerome admitted he was wrong, once, regarding Piltdown Man being used as "proof" of evolution.
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I doubt he'd admit to remembering it.
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emsby
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 13:27:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Jerome admitted he was wrong, once, regarding Piltdown Man being used as "proof" of evolution.
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So you're telling me that the Chick Tract isn't true?? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 14:43:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Jerome admitted he was wrong, once, regarding Piltdown Man being used as "proof" of evolution.
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I do not recall that.
I also said I was wrong about Loch Ness having the ability to support a reproducing population of large animals.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/21/2007 : 14:47:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I've added a choice Jerome quote to my sig to show how he's against the free operation of science.
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Now thats taking words out of a sentence. I used an entire sentance and allow for others to decide the meaning. You have told people what to think about the quote.
Nice try. I am sure you could find an even better quote that did not remove words. |
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/21/2007 : 14:49:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
...if there were a more dishonest use of a quote, I don't know of one! |
Charles Darwin beat a puppy comes pretty close.
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Most serial killers engaged in animal abuse as children.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 14:55:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I've added a choice Jerome quote to my sig to show how he's against the free operation of science.
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JEROME said:
Why would governments need to be involved in the peer review process.
If they are just looking for science why not let the science be published and then they can see it.
Do you really not see the conflict when a governmental representative is involved in the peer review of science? |
The particularly amusing thing is no one could answer the questions without contradicting one of the lead scientists that authored the report.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 14:59:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I've added a choice Jerome quote to my sig to show how he's against the free operation of science.
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Now thats taking words out of a sentence. I used an entire sentance and allow for others to decide the meaning. |
You deny people the opportunity to do that by not providing a link the post where he said that. So a casual viewer cannot put the quote in conext. Unlike Cune's sig, which actually has a link to your post.
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 15:00:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I've added a choice Jerome quote to my sig to show how he's against the free operation of science.
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Now thats taking words out of a sentence. I used an entire sentance and allow for others to decide the meaning. You have told people what to think about the quote.
Nice try. I am sure you could find an even better quote that did not remove words. |
You must be kidding me. Your quote from HH can only correctly be interpreted in the full context of what we was writing. HH was correct in his assessment, and you pulled his sentence out of context to say something entirely different. As for me being able to find a better quote-- probably. But I've wasted enough time with this as it is. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/21/2007 : 16:08:13 [Permalink]
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Lets get back on topic.
Why would governments need to be involved in the peer review process?
If they are just looking for science why not let the science be published and then they can see it?
Do you really not see the conflict when a governmental representative is involved in the peer review of science?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 16:32:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Lets get back on topic.
Why would governments need to be involved in the peer review process?
If they are just looking for science why not let the science be published and then they can see it?
Do you really not see the conflict when a governmental representative is involved in the peer review of science?
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Actually, that's not on topic. That was addressed in another thread. This thread is for the discussion of the "scientific data" that "refutes" a "world wide scientific consensus." Re-read the original post. If you'd like to discuss the above, please go to that thread. If that thread is locked and you don't think your questions were answered, please start a new thread. |
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 17:51:58 [Permalink]
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Ok, that was fun. But to get back to the topic, here is a pretty complete overview of the whole thing. From Wikiedia: | The global warming controversy is a dispute regarding the nature and consequences of global warming. The disputed issues include the causes of increased global average air temperature, especially since the mid-20th century; whether the increase is real or partially an artifact of poor measurements; whether this warming trend is unprecedented or within normal climatic variations; predictions of additional warming; what the consequences are; and what action should be taken. Individuals, corporations, and political organizations are involved, so the debate is vigorous in the popular media and on a policy level. |
It continues on to cover virtually all of the controversy from both sides.
Good read.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 18:44:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Lets get back on topic. |
Okay:
You still have not explained how you have concluded that "The DATA presented in the studies contradict the 'world wide scientific consensus'." It's a bold claim that you've made, so how do you support it? The Hudson List and accompanying press release don't demonstrate the truth of it, because they're just making bold assertions without showing their methods and logic. So how did you, Jerome, come to conclude what you have concluded? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/21/2007 : 22:31:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dave W.
Jerome admitted he was wrong, once, regarding Piltdown Man being used as "proof" of evolution.
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I do not recall that.
I also said I was wrong about Loch Ness having the ability to support a reproducing population of large animals.
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I remember another one. I was mistaken in my interpretation of an ink blot.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Consensus Falling Apart by the Day
