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hholdings
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USA
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 Posted - 09/16/2007 : 22:10:35
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President George Bush claims he is a conservative but he spends money like a liberal. So what is he? Could he be a social conservative and a fiscal liberal? Would that make him a moderate?
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 09/16/2007 : 23:18:46 [Permalink]
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Welcome to SFN, hholdings!
I think Bush and the White House group of NeoCons are theocratic social conservatives (for reasons of political expediency) and economically a short-sighted plutocrats (for reasons of greed).
There's nothing "liberal" about running up huge deficits while awarding no-bid contracts to favored corporations, or about giving tax breaks to the rich, while failing to protect whole cities from disaster.
Pre-Clinton liberals almost certainly did not care enough about the national debt, but at least they tended to spread the wealth around with social, heath, and educational programs. Old-style conservatives ("PaleoCons") like Goldwater were concerned with the national debt. They also tended not to be as adventurous in foreign policy as the Bushies.
I think Bush merely represents the pinnacle of the criminal class. Grab all you can for yourself and your allies, and the hell with everyone else and the future.
Like Tony Soprano, but without the personal courage.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
 Posted - 09/16/2007 : 23:23:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by hholdings
President George Bush claims he is a conservative but he spends money like a liberal. So what is he? Could he be a social conservative and a fiscal liberal? Would that make him a moderate?
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I would say he's a newer breed of redefined conservative within the NeoCon (i.e. Neo-Conservative) camp, which is actually a radical anti-liberal group of autocrats.
In reality, liberals don't necessarily spend tons of money willy-nilly just as old-fashioned conservatives wouldn't necessarily avoid being monetarily altruistic in support of some social programs, at least in the old days.
The NeoCons, to which Bush, Cheney and their allies belong, certainly believe in big government – but they embrace a big government that is exclusively big within corporatism rather than public service, with the oil companies and other large corporate contributors running the country and figurehead cronies and lackey appointees placed in charge of various traditional governmental departments. Back in the old days, in the broad sense, despite corruption and rightwing problems (such as McCarthyism,) it didn't matter if Eisenhower or Kennedy was President, you would still find on the governmental level here and there, good appointees who got into government because they actually wanted to be of some service.
Under the Bush regime, we instead have "heck-of-a-job" Brownie screwing up on Katrina relief, official studies on global warming by government hired scientists being edited and censored by incompetent rightwing administrators or lead paint being overlooked on Chinese imported toys, to name but three examples.
What we need is a balance of some open-minded conservatives with some real liberals running the governmental services, (not liberals or conservatives as redefined by the Bill O'Reilly-Fox News-Goebbels-Spin-Machine.)
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Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2007 : 23:26:45 [Permalink]
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Also what HalfMooner said. 
Especially:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
I think Bush merely represents the pinnacle of the criminal class. Grab all you can for yourself and your allies, and the hell with everyone else and the future. |
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Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
529 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2007 : 23:42:34 [Permalink]
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YO! Orwellingly Yurz, here.
To Mr. hholdings a new member, I see. (Welcome, sir.) I suggest a broadening of your definition of what a liberal is with your query regarding George Wanker Bush's political stripe.
Chippy and Moonman are right on target and in the pocket. But to clarify what George Bush wants for a government, please read this dictionary definition of the following word:
Plutocracy:
Noun: A political system governed by wealthy people. OY!! |
"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
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If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
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The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
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"We have Art in order not to die of life."
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 04:57:05 [Permalink]
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| Bush is a short-sighted, narrow-minded, over-confident, stubborn fool with a tragic compassion deficit. |
-Chaloobi
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hholdings
New Member
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2007 : 18:53:48 [Permalink]
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| All of the comments are very perceptive. I get the impression that you have been discussing these issues with considerable thought in other discussion groups. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/19/2007 : 04:30:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by hholdings
All of the comments are very perceptive. I get the impression that you have been discussing these issues with considerable thought in other discussion groups.
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You sound a lot like a bot. |
-Chaloobi
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Bush, Liberal or Conservative
