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JEROME DA GNOME
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Smoker refused surgery.
| A smoker is facing years of pain after an NHS hospital refused to set his broken ankle unless he gives up cigarettes. |
I just can not wait for Hillary care in a couple of years.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 13:45:25 [Permalink]
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Look what happens when you read the rest of the article:
He refused surgery when he first injured the ankle in a fall in 2005 because he was worried about catching MRSA in hospital. When he went back a few weeks later and the ankle had not set he said he was told he would have to give up smoking before doctors could operate.
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A spokesman for the hospital trust said: "Smoking has a very big influence on the outcome of this type of surgery and the healing process would be hindered significantly." |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/17/2007 : 13:48:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Look what happens when you read the rest of the article:
He refused surgery when he first injured the ankle in a fall in 2005 because he was worried about catching MRSA in hospital. When he went back a few weeks later and the ankle had not set he said he was told he would have to give up smoking before doctors could operate.
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A spokesman for the hospital trust said: "Smoking has a very big influence on the outcome of this type of surgery and the healing process would be hindered significantly." |
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I read that.
Notice that he was fearful of the poor hygine in the state run hospitals.
Too bad he can not get a second opinion. Do you really think that in America a doctor would refuse to perform the surgery?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 13:50:16 [Permalink]
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I wonder...
| This is not just theory. There have been multiple studies confirming that smoking increases the incidence of pulmonary complications after an anesthetic as much as six times. Smoking has been shown to be an independent risk factor for complications ranging from complications of lung function to wound healing to cardiovascular events such as heart attack. |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 13:52:20 [Permalink]
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or this
Smokers should abstain from the habit for at least six weeks before surgery to reduce the risk complications, a study suggests.
Tobacco smoke has a damaging effect on the heart, lungs and immune system.
This means they are more likely to suffer from problems with the heart or lungs, or with wounds not healing properly after surgery |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 13:54:07 [Permalink]
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I think, though, that the doctors should help him quit for the time it takes (6 weeks) so that he can get his surgery...
and yes I think the US he might be refused because of the risks to his life because of his drug addiction. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 13:55:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
I wonder...
| This is not just theory. There have been multiple studies confirming that smoking increases the incidence of pulmonary complications after an anesthetic as much as six times. Smoking has been shown to be an independent risk factor for complications ranging from complications of lung function to wound healing to cardiovascular events such as heart attack. |
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And here is the rub. There are many factors that can complicate surgery. I would venture a guess that age is a huge factor. Does the state then have the right to deny the elderly surgery because it carries a higher risk?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 13:57:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
I think, though, that the doctors should help him quit for the time it takes (6 weeks) so that he can get his surgery...
and yes I think the US he might be refused because of the risks to his life because of his drug addiction.
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You are wrong.
In America, if you pay for surgery, the doctor preforms surgery.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 14:07:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by pleco
I wonder...
| This is not just theory. There have been multiple studies confirming that smoking increases the incidence of pulmonary complications after an anesthetic as much as six times. Smoking has been shown to be an independent risk factor for complications ranging from complications of lung function to wound healing to cardiovascular events such as heart attack. |
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And here is the rub. There are many factors that can complicate surgery. I would venture a guess that age is a huge factor. Does the state then have the right to deny the elderly surgery because it carries a higher risk?
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You don't have a choice in growing older. You have a choice in giving up smoking. Is it so much to ask? |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 14:08:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by pleco
I think, though, that the doctors should help him quit for the time it takes (6 weeks) so that he can get his surgery...
and yes I think the US he might be refused because of the risks to his life because of his drug addiction.
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You are wrong.
In America, if you pay for surgery, the doctor preforms surgery.
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So when I find one instance of surgery being refused in the US because of a pre-existing condition/addiction, will you retract your statement? |
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 14:29:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by pleco
I think, though, that the doctors should help him quit for the time it takes (6 weeks) so that he can get his surgery...
and yes I think the US he might be refused because of the risks to his life because of his drug addiction.
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You are wrong.
In America, if you pay for surgery, the doctor preforms surgery.
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And then when you die because your doctor performed a surgery he shouldn't, because the patient had risk factors, he's sued for malpractice.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/17/2007 : 14:53:12 [Permalink]
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You guys are not comprehending the implications of this example of state run medical care.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 14:59:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
You guys are not comprehending the implications of this example of state run medical care.
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Not correct. Doctors refuse treatment based on pre-existing conditions, even in non-state run care systems.
So are you going to retract when I find an example of this in the US? |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 15:11:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
You don't have a choice in growing older. You have a choice in giving up smoking. Is it so much to ask?
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The UN seems to have problems with the Dutch killing old people. Also children that reach the age of 12.
You must see that when the state in control of life and death that the state will tend to make decisions based on what is best for the state.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 15:12:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by pleco
I think, though, that the doctors should help him quit for the time it takes (6 weeks) so that he can get his surgery...
and yes I think the US he might be refused because of the risks to his life because of his drug addiction.
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You are wrong.
In America, if you pay for surgery, the doctor preforms surgery.
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Jerome, the NHS is FREE |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 15:13:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
So are you going to retract when I find an example of this in the US?
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Yes, if you find an example of a person that was refused by every doctor seen and could not legally receive the surgery.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Social Medicine=No Care for Smoker
