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chaloobi
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Posted - 12/13/2007 : 11:05:21 [Permalink]
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| For the record, I think Ron Paul would not be a good choice for President. I think I said that on the first page or something. . . . |
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teched246
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 03/08/2012 : 10:32:41 [Permalink]
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| [5 years later]... you guys were saying...? |
"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good
and evil; and good and evil themselves are but intervening shadows and damp
depressions and drifting clouds.Verily, it is a blessing and not a blasphemy
when I teach: ‘Over all things stand the heaven Accident, the heaven
Innocence, the heaven Chance, the heaven Prankishness." -Nietzsche |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 11:38:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by teched246
[5 years later]... you guys were saying...?
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Same things we were saying 5 years ago. He's still a bad choice for President. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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teched246
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 15:18:16 [Permalink]
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| Same things we were saying 5 years ago. He's still a bad choice for President. |
Valiant Dancer = Apathetic american trash with no grasp of politics running his yap |
"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good
and evil; and good and evil themselves are but intervening shadows and damp
depressions and drifting clouds.Verily, it is a blessing and not a blasphemy
when I teach: ‘Over all things stand the heaven Accident, the heaven
Innocence, the heaven Chance, the heaven Prankishness." -Nietzsche |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 15:58:18 [Permalink]
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| I wouldn't call Ron Paul apathetic. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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teched246
Skeptic Friend
123 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 16:14:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I wouldn't call Ron Paul apathetic.
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Neither would I. Such labels should be reserved for uneducated zealots-for-zion like valiant dancer and the other hope and change zombies on this thread.
Here is your hope:
and here is your change:
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"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good
and evil; and good and evil themselves are but intervening shadows and damp
depressions and drifting clouds.Verily, it is a blessing and not a blasphemy
when I teach: ‘Over all things stand the heaven Accident, the heaven
Innocence, the heaven Chance, the heaven Prankishness." -Nietzsche |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 19:16:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by teched246
Neither would I. Such labels should be reserved for uneducated zealots-for-zion like valiant dancer and the other hope and change zombies on this thread. |
How many unthinking tropes can be stuffed into one sentence?
teched, why do you bother with these silly drive-by insults, anyway? Is the response you get really that satisfying? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/08/2012 : 22:17:51 [Permalink]
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Funny thing about blind haters. Bigots of all kinds usually, I think, work against their own best interests.
Here's how it works, in a few personal and inverse examples:
One reason I do not hate gay people as a class is that one of my closest family members is gay, and was the only person to come to my hospital bedside in 2003 when I had a serious stroke. Since I was somewhat suicidal at the time, that may have saved my life. So hating gays would be like hating myself.
I do not hate Jewish people as a class partially because at least on two occasions in my life, a Jewish doctor has saved my life. I've known a couple of Jews who were jerks, but again, there are plenty of those in every group. Since I owe my life to Jews, to hate Jews would be self-hatred.
I'm not a misogynist because I had a mother who bore me in great pain, then raised me for many years with great expenditure of effort. I have a wonderful sister who is very close and supportive, and an adult daughter of whom I am most proud. Hating women would in effect be self hatred.
I suppose I do hate bigots of all kinds, though. Maybe that's because I have learned that what they stand against is, in effect, me and many of those around me who make my ver5y existence possible.
But even in my hatred of bigots, I can hold out hope that they may change. After all, my own dear father, who is now 96, was once a racial, religious, and antisemitic bigot, but he has grown to become one of the most tolerant, respected and broadminded persons I have had the honor to know.
And I have certainly harbored bigoted opinions myself, especially (but not entirely) in the past. Maybe even my hatred of bigots is a sort of self-hatred, a form of bigotry. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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teched246
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/09/2012 : 02:27:45 [Permalink]
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| How many unthinking tropes can be stuffed into one sentence? |
How many irrelevant and inaccurate posts can one thread generate? At first glance the title of the thread seems to indicate a genuine distrust of Ron Paul and his proposed policies, and yet the rabble here seems engaged enough only to lather up trivialities. As a moderator, it's your responsibility to monitor the content, perhaps it'd serve prudence to add to the title, (nominal)
| teched, why do you bother with these silly drive-by insults, anyway? Is the response you get really that satisfying? |
*stomps his little feet* Why should you people even have a voice when it comes to politics? Out of one end you whine about having to clean up the mess left by neocons, while out of the other, you're chanting "unthinking tropes" that have no clear definition. 5 years on, and the chanting dulls considerably, but nevertheless, continues 
Ron Paul was given unfair treatment (and stil is) largely because his views stray from mainstream politics. The skeptics voicing they're "educated opinions" here are largely ignorant americans with little awareness of what goes on outside of their borders, which is one reason very little focus was given to obama's views on foreign policy (especially concerning israel). The fantastical prospect of having a non-white democrat remedy the woes left by a seemingly dim-witted neocon was intoxicating, such that anyone who could've made even a decent impression by mere appearance (that's really all obama did) could've been marketed to the american people effortlessly. It's quite disturbing to watch intellectual honesty forsaken as "fascist" and muffled out by the synchronized chanting of "hope and change", and yet even more disturbing to see, years later, with WWIII on the loom thanks to Obama's shifty foreign policy, and with ever deepening economic straits, obstinate minds are still either too stupid to see that Paul is their only hope (or at least the only person who has a modicum of intellectual honesty) for preserving their way of life or too arrogant to muster the grace to say, "we were wrong". People like valiant dancer are the reason I'm leaving this country for good. How's that for a "drive-by insult". |
"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good
and evil; and good and evil themselves are but intervening shadows and damp
depressions and drifting clouds.Verily, it is a blessing and not a blasphemy
when I teach: ‘Over all things stand the heaven Accident, the heaven
Innocence, the heaven Chance, the heaven Prankishness." -Nietzsche |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/09/2012 : 04:20:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by teched246
*stomps his little feet* Why should you people even have a voice when it comes to politics? Out of one end you whine about having to clean up the mess left by neocons, while out of the other, you're chanting "unthinking tropes" that have no clear definition. 5 years on, and the chanting dulls considerably, but nevertheless, continues
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Ooow! He stomps his widdle feet! As for why people here will have a voice in politics, it's called democracy. We (and we represent a whole spectrum of political philosophies) are not going away, even at peril of further foot-stomping. Get used to it, you self-deluded wanna-be-elitist widdle bigot. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/09/2012 : 05:58:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by teched246
How many irrelevant and inaccurate posts can one thread generate? |
Lots. But if you're going to champion accuracy and relevancy, then you should do so instead of contributing to the problem you're complaining about.| At first glance the title of the thread seems to indicate a genuine distrust of Ron Paul and his proposed policies, and yet the rabble here seems engaged enough only to lather up trivialities. As a moderator, it's your responsibility to monitor the content, perhaps it'd serve prudence to add to the title, (nominal) |
So you think one of my duties here is to protect people like yourself against the dangers of snap-judgments based on thread titles? I prefer to think more highly of the membership here.Well, if you're going to point out that you're having a tantrum, that saves me the trouble.| Why should you people even have a voice when it comes to politics? |
Because it's guaranteed by the Constitution.| Out of one end you whine about having to clean up the mess left by neocons... |
Yes and unfortunately, many of us missed the fact that Obama is a neocon.| ...while out of the other, you're chanting "unthinking tropes" that have no clear definition. |
So saying something once is "chanting?" You have a very strange dictionary. Perhaps that's why you can't find the definitions for "unthinking" or "tropes."
Perhaps you can tell us which comments in this thread led you to characterize Valiant Dancer as a "zombie for zion." It should be easy, since Val has only made one comment in this thread.| 5 years on, and the chanting dulls considerably, but nevertheless, continues |
You seem to be living on a different planet.| Ron Paul was given unfair treatment (and stil is) largely because his views stray from mainstream politics. |
Without details on what treatment you think he's been given from people here on SFN or which views of his haven't been explored, how can anyone respond to this?| The skeptics voicing they're "educated opinions" here are largely ignorant americans with little awareness of what goes on outside of their borders, which is one reason very little focus was given to obama's views on foreign policy (especially concerning israel). |
And what does that have to do with Ron Paul's treatment or views?| The fantastical prospect of having a non-white democrat remedy the woes left by a seemingly dim-witted neocon was intoxicating, such that anyone who could've made even a decent impression by mere appearance (that's really all obama did) could've been marketed to the american people effortlessly. |
We had the "magic negro" discussion a long time ago, too.| It's quite disturbing to watch intellectual honesty forsaken as "fascist"... |
Actually, it is fascism that's being pointed out as fascism.| ...and muffled out by the synchronized chanting of "hope and change"... |
You must be talking about some place other than SFN.| ...and yet even more disturbing to see, years later, with WWIII on the loom thanks to Obama's shifty foreign policy... |
Evidence?| ...and with ever deepening economic straits... |
Evidence?| ...obstinate minds are still either too stupid to see that Paul is their only hope... |
You want us to trade the great black hope for the great white hope, is that it?| ...(or at least the only person who has a modicum of intellectual honesty)... |
That is certainly not a nice thing to say.| ...for preserving their way of life or too arrogant to muster the grace to say, "we were wrong". |
I've been saying "I was wrong" about Obama for years, now. But Ron Paul isn't the Savior you seem to think he is.| People like valiant dancer are the reason I'm leaving this country for good. |
All because Val hasn't changed his opinion of Ron Paul in the last five years? Wow.| How's that for a "drive-by insult". |
It's pretty insulting, and the odds are that you won't continue in this thread. Falsifying that last notion on a regular basis would go a long way towards helping my opinion of you improve. Just sayin'. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2012 : 06:01:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by teched246
| Same things we were saying 5 years ago. He's still a bad choice for President. |
Valiant Dancer = Apathetic american trash with no grasp of politics running his yap
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Riiiight. Just because I've worked about every election cycle since 1972 means I have no grasp of American politics.
Ron Paul continues to be a poor choice for President because of his Lyndon LaRouche view of foreign policy. Paul wants isolationism in a global society.
Oh, and to the meat of your argument here. Go fuck yourself. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/09/2012 : 11:25:36 [Permalink]
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Dave:
Yes and unfortunately, many of us missed the fact that Obama is a neocon. |
I'm not so sure about that. He did say he was going to focus on Afghanistan when he was campaigning. And I don't think, unlike the neocons, the idea is to build a natation that will happily do our bidding under the pretext of a Pax Americans. And you know... The neocons hate Obama.
I think we should pull out of Afghanistan. I think that particular "war on terror" is lost already. (But not without serious damage to Al Quada, which the neocons didn't seem to care much about.) But I would bet you that the prize target of the neocons, Iraq, is a war that Obama never would have started had he been president at the time.
Much as I don't agree with much of Obamas's foreign policy, I don't think he can be called a "neocon." Ask Cheney, who really is a neocon, if he thinks Obama fits the bill. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2012 : 11:56:47 [Permalink]
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teched246:
Such labels should be reserved for uneducated zealots-for-zion... |
Would you please elaborate? Who are these uneducated "zealots-for-zion" and what does it mean to be a "zealots-for-zion?" |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 03/09/2012 : 12:00:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by teched246
| How many unthinking tropes can be stuffed into one sentence? |
How many irrelevant and inaccurate posts can one thread generate? |
That would depend on how active you decide to be in that thread.
Ron Paul was given unfair treatment (and stil is) |
Examples please.
| largely because his views stray from mainstream politics. |
Compared to what? In my eyes, none of the GOP candidates seem reasonable or even sane. Ron Paul seems to have some kind of connection to reality, but he's still far from being reasonable.
The skeptics voicing they're "educated opinions" here are largely ignorant americans with little awareness of what goes on outside of their borders, which is one reason very little focus was given to obama's views on foreign policy (especially concerning israel). |
From where I'm sitting, I can clearly see that SFN-members are more aware than the average US citizen of what goes on outside their borders.
The fantastical prospect of having a non-white democrat remedy the woes left by...
...for preserving their way of life or too arrogant to muster the grace to say, "we were wrong". People like valiant dancer are the reason I'm leaving this country for good. How's that for a "drive-by insult".
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
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Ron Paul - Not your hero
