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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 12/03/2007 :  12:48:31  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7124156.stm

Chimps have a superior memory function in some tests...

Edit: God just gots pwned

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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini

Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 12/03/2007 12:51:36

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Posted - 12/03/2007 :  12:52:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's why we invented writing, to compensate for our shitty memories and put us over the damn chimps once and for all. And it worked.

-Chaloobi

Edited by - chaloobi on 12/03/2007 12:53:30
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Posted - 12/03/2007 :  13:41:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chaloobi

That's why we invented writing, to compensate for our shitty memories and put us over the damn chimps once and for all. And it worked.
We must keep our edge. There must be a new law, legislated world-wide! Scientists must be prohibited from teaching chimps to read and write!



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Posted - 12/03/2007 :  14:26:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My sincerest apologies for being predictable, but it's started!

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Posted - 12/03/2007 :  14:52:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
chaloobi said:
That's why we invented writing, to compensate for our shitty memories

I'll go out on a limb here.... and say that before literacy was as common as it is today that human memory was at least on-par with those chimps.

Could test that out by giving the same tests to people who live in a less industrialized part of the world with low literacy rates, where oral traditions are maintained and people must rely more on memory for day to day things.

We already know that memory can be trained in humans, and those skills deteriorate unless regularly excercised.


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Posted - 12/03/2007 :  14:54:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Or test memory who put a lot of info into storage devices like cell phones as opposed to those who memorize phone numbers, etc.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/03/2007 :  19:36:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

We already know that memory can be trained in humans...
Check out the World Memory Championship and some of the insane things these folks can do.

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chaloobi
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Posted - 12/04/2007 :  11:42:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

chaloobi said:
That's why we invented writing, to compensate for our shitty memories

I'll go out on a limb here.... and say that before literacy was as common as it is today that human memory was at least on-par with those chimps.

Could test that out by giving the same tests to people who live in a less industrialized part of the world with low literacy rates, where oral traditions are maintained and people must rely more on memory for day to day things.

We already know that memory can be trained in humans, and those skills deteriorate unless regularly excercised.
Here's another consideration - in our culture we are bombarded constantly with tons of information we may (or may not) need to remember. The sheer volume likely leads to some level of forgetfulness. 1000 years ago a typical human almost certainly had a vastly more simple life in that respect and perhaps had an easier time remembering day to day items that might present themselves.

And chimps? What the hell do they have to remember on a day to day basis? The tree with lots of bananas is left of the stream beyond the big rock? Don't eat the smelly, squishy fruit or you'll puke? The cute female with the longish toes is easy to mate with while the big chimp is asleep? Come on.

-Chaloobi

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chaloobi
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Posted - 12/04/2007 :  11:48:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by chaloobi

That's why we invented writing, to compensate for our shitty memories and put us over the damn chimps once and for all. And it worked.
We must keep our edge. There must be a new law, legislated world-wide! Scientists must be prohibited from teaching chimps to read and write!
I saw what happened in the third Planet of the Apes movie. Keep those chimps ignorant lest they learn how to shoot you.

Side Note: That 3rd film was totally off base, IMHO. The apes were supposed to have evolved to higher intelligence after humans destroyed their civilization with nuclear war. They weren't supposed to be chimps and gorillas like we see today - they had changed. But in film 3, they created that causal loop and dropped that entire premise. Fooey.

1st Film Nitpick - while the effect in the film was very dramatic, (Damn you all to hell!) there's no way in hell the Statue of Liberty would have looked so good so long after the fall of humanity. It would have been an unrecognizable rusted hulk at best.

-Chaloobi

Edited by - chaloobi on 12/04/2007 11:49:49
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