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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 11/20/2007 : 14:16:06
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Yes, I have it straight from the horses ass mouth, an AiG whelp called RATE has taken the Theory of Evolution and, by careful interpretation of the dating, shown it to be impossible due to 6,000 to 10,000 years not being enough time for all of the "kinds" to have evolved. Thus, by implication, the ToE is crushed like a kitten under the spike heel of some high-fashion skank posing before a pervert's camera.
Dig it, creation scientists actually do science! | There have been many claims in the media, science journals, and documentaries that creationists scientists do not perform original research. However, as the number of creationist researchers continues to grow, this claim is now clearly without foundation. Not only have creationist organizations performed ground-breaking, well-documented research, they have also shed new light on the flaws of a millions-of-years mindset. As Dr. Andrew Snelling explains, creation research is entering a new phase of exciting breakthroughs: |
Be still my fluttering heart!| Much research, even reported in the conventional scientific literature, has found that rocks of known age often yield erroneously old radioactive age estimates because either one of the first two assumptions, or both, can be demonstrated to be false. And if the radioactive “clocks” have not always “ticked” at the currently measured slow rates but were grossly accelerated in the past, then these radioactive dating methods cannot be used to provide reliable age estimates for rocks. After all, if these “clocks” don't work on rocks of known ages, how can they be trusted on rocks of unknown ages? To be sure, there is a systematic trend of radioactive age estimates for rocks according to their positions in the geologic record, but this would be expected if nuclear decay was grossly accelerated systematically when the rock layers were forming. For example, rocks laid down early in the Flood would yield older ages than rocks laid down later during the Flood because the earlier rocks would have experienced more accelerated radioactive decay. |
Of some particular interest are the supporting links following the article, notably the last four  , due to the text telling us doodly-squat. Oh, and it ends with the usual: Get Involved
Please prayerfully consider supporting future research, conferences, videos, and publications that uphold God's Word.
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I gotta hand it to Ham & Co. They have to be some of the most accomplished liars since the Borgia Popes, and grifters on well, almost a par with Benny Hinn. And like the foul Hinn, they have virtually a captive audience of those so intellectually blind that they will believe with their checking accounts. Were it otherwise, such utter crap as this would never get more than the derisive laughter that it richly deserves.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2007 : 16:09:01 [Permalink]
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So, by presupposing the earth to be 6,000-10,000 years old, there's not enough time for evolution to have done all it did? You know, I think they are onto something: This is a smart way to shift attention from their failed biological claims, to the age-of-earth issue, which involves unfamiliar nuclear calculations, etc. that Ham's ignorati can't even begin to think about.
I really think Ham & Co.'s Bible-style Young Earth Creationism may be a bigger long-range problem than ID Creationism. Ham goes straight to the slack-jawed types. Doesn't let science embarrass him, instead abandons any untenable position without a fight, praises the Lord, and digs another trench. ID and the Discovery Institute are somewhat artificially supported by one billionaire. Ham gets his money directly from his thousands of knuckle-walking sheep.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
 Posted - 11/20/2007 : 17:50:01 [Permalink]
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Completely ignoring the fact that radio-activity gives off heat, and if the radioactive decay compressed 4 billion years into 4000 years, it's my conjecture that the temperature of the earth surface would have been at least hot enough to have lead boiling.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2007 : 14:08:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Completely ignoring the fact that radio-activity gives off heat, and if the radioactive decay compressed 4 billion years into 4000 years, it's my conjecture that the temperature of the earth surface would have been at least hot enough to have lead boiling.
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Good point. Is there any other way to know for sure that radioactive decay has been at the same rate throughout the history of the universe? I mean, all Creationist myth aside, it's not unheard of for some basic assumption about the universe to be upended. Like the acclerated expansion for example. Who'd a thunk it? So, is there any way to verify that radioactive decay wasn't faster in the past? |
-Chaloobi
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2007 : 08:01:26 [Permalink]
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I heard something about emission lines of radioactive Cobalt in space father away than 6000 light years indicating that radioactive decay has been the same in the past. I just remember reading it somewhere fleetingly, but it needs more investigation.
Supernova SN1987A confirmed (by means of trigonometry) that the speed of light is the same
throughout space.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 11/29/2007 19:58:43 |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2007 : 08:21:26 [Permalink]
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| One positive thing you can say about the ID/Creationists is they keep scientists on their toes and help expand real knowledge. Irreducible complexity for example. There was a guy I work with who was claiming the eye could not have evolved so there must have been a designer. So I went on the web and looked it up and there was a very nice rebuttal to the argument showing all sorts of observational evidence for eye evolution. Tada, the TOE is a little stronger thank you very much. As long as public policy remains committed to the use of objective empirical data, ID/Creationism cannot succeed in turning back scientific progress. All they can do is point to gaps in knowledge which scientists promptly fill. It's just when you get administrations like GW's, along with one part rule across all three branches of government, that you have real problems (In the US, anyway...). |
-Chaloobi
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Archereon
New Member
New Zealand
32 Posts |
 Posted - 12/02/2007 : 04:06:29 [Permalink]
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| Well you can have a look at the Oklo natural nuclear reactor and its waste biproducts and see that it has seemed that nuclear decay is pretty constant |
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JohnOAS
SFN Regular
Australia
800 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 17:02:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
One positive thing you can say about the ID/Creationists is they keep scientists on their toes and help expand real knowledge. Irreducible complexity for example. There was a guy I work with who was claiming the eye could not have evolved so there must have been a designer. So I went on the web and looked it up and there was a very nice rebuttal to the argument showing all sorts of observational evidence for eye evolution. Tada, the TOE is a little stronger thank you very much. |
Just curious, how did your work buddy react to the response?
"Well, when I said the eye, I really meant (insert something else completely different here). I'm quite prepared to accept the evidence as long as it confirms what I already believe."
or something along those lines is what I typically get. |
John's just this guy, you know. |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 23:56:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
One positive thing you can say about the ID/Creationists is they keep scientists on their toes and help expand real knowledge. |
And one positive thing you can say about war is that it drives technological advances... |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2007 : 06:23:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JohnOAS
Originally posted by chaloobi
One positive thing you can say about the ID/Creationists is they keep scientists on their toes and help expand real knowledge. Irreducible complexity for example. There was a guy I work with who was claiming the eye could not have evolved so there must have been a designer. So I went on the web and looked it up and there was a very nice rebuttal to the argument showing all sorts of observational evidence for eye evolution. Tada, the TOE is a little stronger thank you very much. |
Just curious, how did your work buddy react to the response?
"Well, when I said the eye, I really meant (insert something else completely different here). I'm quite prepared to accept the evidence as long as it confirms what I already believe."
or something along those lines is what I typically get.
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I printed him the main rebuttal argument and sent him a series of web addresses with more references. He never mentioned irreducible complexity or any kind of acceptance of ID again. Our work has gone separate ways but we still keep in touch. A couple weeks ago I asked him about that whole thing and he claims he was just being devil's advocate at the time. I call it one more vulnerable intellect saved from the precipice of false science.  |
-Chaloobi
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2007 : 06:28:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
Originally posted by chaloobi
One positive thing you can say about the ID/Creationists is they keep scientists on their toes and help expand real knowledge. |
And one positive thing you can say about war is that it drives technological advances...
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You think it's an accurate comparison between the tragic destruction and carnage in Iraq and the ongoing exercise of rebutting ID? |
-Chaloobi
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It's happened! Radioisotopic dating debunked!
