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Robb
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 12:49:26 [Permalink]
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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 13:19:30 [Permalink]
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If my country had been involved in an illegal war against another country, the postcard would contained a wish that the receiver show duty to the country's constitution by refusing illegal orders.
As a non-American citizen, I have no business sending such postcards to your servicemen.
Unfortunately.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 13:23:28 [Permalink]
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| I think it's interesting they're only sending thanks to the ones occupying other colonies in the American empire. Are we not as grateful to those who serve Stateside? |
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recurve boy
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 12/06/2007 : 14:07:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I think it's interesting they're only sending thanks to the ones occupying other colonies in the American empire. Are we not as grateful to those who serve Stateside?
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Not really.
One would think the serviceman stateside would have the actual option of seeing their families. Or at the very least be able to keep in touch more easily. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:08:11 [Permalink]
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Mab said:
If my country had been involved in an illegal war against another country, the postcard would contained a wish that the receiver show duty to the country's constitution by refusing illegal orders.
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Well, we've had this conversation before.
This war isn't illegal. Unethical, immoral, and wrong yes.
Should it be illegal? Yes.
But it isn't illegal by any standard we have been able to find in our previous threads on the topic, and to my knowledge no legal expert has managed to find a ligitmate way to call it illegal either.
So the consequences of those soldiers not reporting for duty is fairly straightforward. They will be charged with a crime.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:27:30 [Permalink]
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| It isn't illegal only because you don't want it to be illegal. It is a gross violation of international law. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:28:49 [Permalink]
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We understand that you don't want it to be illegal. It is a gross violation of international law, and I've shown here that many experts say so.
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| Edited by - Gorgo on 12/06/2007 15:29:09 |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:35:07 [Permalink]
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One would think the serviceman stateside would have the actual option of seeing their families. Or at the very least be able to keep in touch more easily.
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"One would think" seems like you're saying that you don't know. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:41:26 [Permalink]
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gorgo said:
We understand that you don't want it to be illegal. It is a gross violation of international law, and I've shown here that many experts say so.
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You have done no such thing. So pack up your sad little delusion and put it back in its box.
There is no clear criteria by which this war in Iraq can be called illegal. Only in your pathetic little misrepresentation of reality is the Iraq war a "gross violation of international law". You've been spanked on this topic before gorgo, repeating the same tired old lines that have been shown to be false only makes you sound like billscott.
Maybe one of these days you will also learn to stop being a fucking prick to those who haven't done anything but disagree with you. I won't hold my breath, but maybe it will happen.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:51:10 [Permalink]
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Maybe one of these days you will also learn to stop being a fucking prick to those who haven't done anything but disagree with you. I won't hold my breath, but maybe it will happen.
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Again, we see how you are. Please stop smelling up these forums with your insulting behavior and bring something of substance to them. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 17:04:00 [Permalink]
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Hey, you guys want civility, then you need to step on the provocations harder than the response.
Gorgo can't possibly know what I think or want beyond what I say on these boards.
This kind of crap:
| We understand that you don't want it to be illegal. |
Is at the root of one of the problems these forums have with civility.
Its a deliberate jab that cannot be successfully answered with reasoned argument. It is just as hostile, if not more so, than my response.
It ends the possibility of reasonable discussion, which was probably Gorgo's intent anyway. He doesn't want to be spanked yet again in another argument over the legality of the Iraq war.
(edited to add:) The fact that this kind of crap is tolerated until someone responds with profanity is an issue the forum admins should address, imo.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 17:43:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Hey, you guys want civility, then you need to step on the provocations harder than the response. |
And when the responses are equally provocative?
You said it yourself:| It is just as hostile, if not more so, than my response. |
I mean, I know you're having a pissing contest with Gorgo, but I'd hoped you would be reasonable enough to avoid the "he's worse than me" stuff.
But then again...| He doesn't want to be spanked yet again in another argument over the legality of the Iraq war. |
...you're using this complaint against me as an excuse to continue provoking Gorgo, so what should I think, Dude? Even if I were to tell you that I agreed with you, I'd still be here having to spank you because you won't reclaim the moral high ground by letting this drop. Neither of you will.
| (edited to add:) The fact that this kind of crap is tolerated until someone responds with profanity is an issue the forum admins should address, imo. |
We had thirteen minutes and fifty-six seconds between Gorgo's provocation and your profane response, Dude. I certainly didn't tolerate anything, I acted as soon as I saw what was said.
But since you brought it up, something is in the works. Until it gets implemented, here is a new rule for everyone: Moderation Notice
If you see something provocative, don't reply to it. Send me a PM or an email and complain as loudly and as much as you wish, using whatever language you like. Anyone who replies in kind in public, regardless of how comparatively mild your offense is, will be treated to whatever fate the provocateur draws. This policy goes into effect a half-hour from the time of this posting. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 18:13:00 [Permalink]
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Dave_W said:
| We had thirteen minutes and fifty-six seconds between Gorgo's provocation and your profane response, Dude. I certainly didn't tolerate anything |
That wasn't my point, and you know it. I was referring to the overall tolerance of non-profane hostility.
I realize its difficult to moderate this kind of forum, and its even harder to limit hostility when it isn't the "F*** OFF" kind. Its an ugly grey area.
Making it even more difficult is the fact that many people will percieve hostility when they are shown to be in error.
But this kind of thing, the passive agressive hostility gorgo (and others) is so fond of, is one of the major problems you have if you want a "civil" board.
Personally I think the task may be impossible.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 12/06/2007 : 18:19:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Personally I think the task may be impossible. |
Then I'll ask you to at least have sympathy on us and avoid making things worse. |
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