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BigPapaSmurf
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2007 : 07:27:10 [Permalink]
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| I hope, though I don't see how, something good can come from this awful situation. |
by Filthy
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 12/27/2007 : 07:28:29 [Permalink]
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I had read earlier that she was hospitalized. Didn't know she'd died. A sad day indeed.
One can't help but wonder if Bush's tin-pot buddy, Musharraf had a hand in it.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2007 : 08:23:33 [Permalink]
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| This is so horrible. Sad day indeed. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2007 : 08:37:51 [Permalink]
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Her government, when she was in power, was little more than a pack of thieves (according to a doctor I work with, who is from Pakistan), and little better than the current dictator.
Her recent actions, to me, seemed like nothing more than political grandstanding.
I can't help but have no sympathy for her.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2007 : 11:43:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Filthy
"One can't help but wonder if Bush's tin-pot buddy, Musharraf had a hand in it." |
Unfortunately, Bush or no Bush, we have so much invested in the stability of Musharraf's government that there's not much we can do, or will do, about it (that is if our intelligence does implicate the existing regime). Maybe, in time, real action could be taken, but don't expect anybody other than Bill Richardson to call for Musharraf to step down after the accusations that his government refused to give Bhutto better security.
Regardless, is marshall law imminent, again? |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/27/2007 : 12:22:48 [Permalink]
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| Dont jump too far, this has all the hallmarks of a fundy attack, also they have been openly trying to kill her for some time. As the first elected female leader of a Muslim nation she posed a major threat to the way of the Taleban. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2007 : 13:18:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Her government, when she was in power, was little more than a pack of thieves (according to a doctor I work with, who is from Pakistan), and little better than the current dictator.
Her recent actions, to me, seemed like nothing more than political grandstanding.
I can't help but have no sympathy for her. |
I work with someone who married into a Pakistani family. From what she's told me, their sentiments are not unlike your co-worker. I haven't asked her about this, though. I'll be curious to hear what her husband things. |
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/28/2007 : 14:21:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Her government, when she was in power, was little more than a pack of thieves (according to a doctor I work with, who is from Pakistan), and little better than the current dictator. Her recent actions, to me, seemed like nothing more than political grandstanding. I can't help but have no sympathy for her. |
[sarcasm] Golly Dude, you're such a humane individual who can identify with the human condition and values life so well. And such a logical skeptic too, since one guy from Pakistan is your obvious source of unblemished truth. [/sarcasm] But regardless of what your co-worker says, you are too quick to forget for whom the bell tolls. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/28/2007 : 19:34:23 [Permalink]
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What, I should have sympathy for some thieving asshole politician who gets blown up?
Yeah, I am sooooo sure you'd be all choked up if Bush met the same fate.
Give me a fucking break.
As for my source, the person is educated, liberal, and not prone to hyperbole. They are reliable... and anyfuckingway... I clearly indicated the anecdotal nature of my info.
And seriously, I couldn't care less if 90% of the world's politicians all spontaneously combusted tomorrow.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 06:01:51 [Permalink]
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| The democracy movement evidently did not start with her, and will not end with her. I don't like to see anyone die, but I wonder if she was just an opportunist, and someone that the Bush administration could use to make it look like they cared about democracy in Pakistan. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 06:59:14 [Permalink]
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| Still some controversy as to how she died. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 08:16:31 [Permalink]
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As far as I have been able to discover, the corruption charges are open to some considerable doubt. It looks like politics more than anything else. Bhutto was never tried for anything and it wasn't as if they didn't have her close to hand.
I'll reserve judgment until something other than rhetoric comes along -- innocent until proven guilty, and all that.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 10:01:34 [Permalink]
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I'll reserve judgment until something other than rhetoric comes along -- innocent until proven guilty, and all that.
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Same here. And sometimes even innocent when found guilty by some kangaroo court or other. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Halcyon Dayz
New Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 12:18:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
filthy:
I'll reserve judgment until something other than rhetoric comes along -- innocent until proven guilty, and all that.
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Same here. And sometimes even innocent when found guilty by some kangaroo court or other.
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Like Bhutto's father.
Sentenced to hang under the Zia-ul-Haq regime.
Bhutto knew darn well how dangerous Pakistani politics is.
She must have been motivated by something more then just opportunism. |
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. -- Don Marquis
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 12:38:00 [Permalink]
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filthy said:
Bhutto was never tried for anything and it wasn't as if they didn't have her close to hand.
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She fled the country to avoid trial.
Could it all have been politically motivated? Sure. I doubt it was, but it certainly could have been.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Bhutto Assassinated!
