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Robb
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 Posted - 01/25/2008 : 10:37:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Any Regular.....
When this Doomar nutter has hit and run here before, has he usually been followed by another lunatic such as Robb or BillSmith to pick up the insane chain of crackbrain crap that ensues? One of Jerome's tricks used to be to come on with an OP and then carry thru the one-liners with alter egos.
Or are these creepy cretins just the authorized Religious Rant License distributors, free supply to all who apply? Come to think of it, I bought! Hmmmm! Shit!!
I guess it's all in the volume, if you give enough of your product away you can make a profit on it! I'm working desperately on five new woo-woo posts; think of the post volume I'll build! Humbug will be green with envy!
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Robb
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 10:43:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Robb
I was a false convert for 5 plus years before I understood I was not saved. |
Did you believe yourself to be saved during those 5 years? |
Yes.
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So how do you know you aren't mistaken again?
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1 John |
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Robb
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 10:49:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
How can true religion condone murder, you ask?
Quite easily.
Genesis 6:
6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. |
God has every right to do as he pleases with what he created. He can punish man for his disobedience to his law. It is only by his kindness that he does not kill us all today for sin.
| Of course, it depends upon what religion, if any, is the 'true' one. |
I am glad that you at least agree that only one religion can be true or none can be true. More than one religion cannot be true.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 11:07:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by H. Humbert
So how do you know you aren't mistaken again? |
1 John
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But all 1 John says is required to be saved is to "believe in the name of the Son of God." That's every single self-professed Christian I've ever heard of, Robb. You are the one saying that's not enough, or that most Christians don't really believe, they only think they believe, and somehow you can tell this and they cannot. If those Christians can be mistaken, it stands to reason that you may be mistaken. Maybe you aren't believing in the correct way. Maybe your faith is false. Maybe there is another verse elsewhere in the bible that expands on John 1 that you're not taking into account. Maybe any number of things.
You have offered nothing from the bible which actually justifies the statements you've made. You are simply asserting that you know what god really meant and all the other false Christians have got it wrong. To me, John 1 would clearly indicate anyone who believes in Jesus gets saved, which would be any Christian at all. It doesn't say anything about "real" faith, or how one could even tell what that is. That bit is simply Robb adding to the bible.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 11:09:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by filthy
[i]6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the [quote]Of course, it depends upon what religion, if any, is the 'true' one. |
I am glad that you at least agree that only one religion can be true or none can be true. More than one religion cannot be true.
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It also doesn't stand to reason that any particular religion must be true in every respect. So it can also mean that all religions are partially true and partially wrong.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 11:09:34 [Permalink]
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Humbert.....
Now, now Hummy! Sit down and take a few deep breaths. Just have patience, you'll grow up some day! Meanwhile, get used to embarassment! It'll happen the rest of your life, which is most of it!
And to watch nearly-grown men whine in public is, indeed, embarassing! |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 11:16:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by filthy
[i]6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the [quote]Of course, it depends upon what religion, if any, is the 'true' one. |
I am glad that you at least agree that only one religion can be true or none can be true. More than one religion cannot be true.
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It also doesn't stand to reason that any particular religion must be true in every respect. So it can also mean that all religions are partially true and partially wrong.
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I second that motion, particularly my religion, Barry Sandersism. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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4574 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2008 : 11:28:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Humbert.....
Now, now Hummy! Sit down and take a few deep breaths. Just have patience, you'll grow up some day! Meanwhile, get used to embarassment! It'll happen the rest of your life, which is most of it!
And to watch nearly-grown men whine in public is, indeed, embarassing!
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bngbuck, I tried to get you back on track, but if all you're capable of doing is posting infantile insults, please send them to me in PMs. There is no reason you need to pollute a thread in which other people are trying to have a fruitful discussion.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Robb
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 12:17:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by H. Humbert
So how do you know you aren't mistaken again? |
1 John
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But all 1 John says is required to be saved is to "believe in the name of the Son of God." That's every single self-professed Christian I've ever heard of, Robb. You are the one saying that's not enough, or that most Christians don't really believe, they only think they believe, and somehow you can tell this and they cannot. If those Christians can be mistaken, it stands to reason that you may be mistaken. Maybe you aren't believing in the correct way. Maybe your faith is false. Maybe there is another verse elsewhere in the bible that expands on John 1 that you're not taking into account. Maybe any number of things.
You have offered nothing from the bible which actually justifies the statements you've made. You are simply asserting that you know what god really meant and all the other false Christians have got it wrong. To me, John 1 would clearly indicate anyone who believes in Jesus gets saved, which would be any Christian at all. It doesn't say anything about "real" faith, or how one could even tell what that is. That bit is simply Robb adding to the bible.
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You will not walk in darkness. If you do, then you do not practice or live by the truth (1 John 1:6)
You will have and enjoy fellowship with other Christians (1 John 1:7)
You recognize your sinful nature (1 John 1:8,10)
You confess your sins (1 John 1:9)
You obey and keep his commandments (1 John 2:3,5 ,1 John 3:24, 1 John 5:2)
You will not hate your brother or sister but love them (1 John 2:9,11 , 1 John 3:10 and 1 John 4:7-8,12-13, 20-21, 2 John 1:5)
You will not love the world or the things of the world (1 John 2:15)
You will do the will of God (1 John 2:17)
You believe the divinity of Jesus and that he has come in the flesh (1 John 2:22 and 1 John 4:2-4,15, 2 John 1:7)
Biblical truth will be abiding in you (1 John 2:24)
You understand the righteousness of Christ (1 John 2:29)
You will be practicing righteousness (1 John 2:29)
You will not habitually practice sin (1 John 3:8,9, 1 John 5:18)
You will have compassion for those in need (1 John 3:17)
You believe that Jesus is the Christ and is the Son of God (1 John 5:1)
Also if you really want to understand take the time to watch this 8 minute video by Paul Washer
This is also a Paul Washer video that will explain what it means to follow Jesus. This man preaches true Christianity not heard in most churches in America. Paul Washer
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Robb
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 12:37:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by filthy
[i]6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the [quote]Of course, it depends upon what religion, if any, is the 'true' one. |
I am glad that you at least agree that only one religion can be true or none can be true. More than one religion cannot be true.
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It also doesn't stand to reason that any particular religion must be true in every respect. So it can also mean that all religions are partially true and partially wrong.
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I disagree. Jesus said he was God. If this is not true, then nothing in Christianity is true. Parts of it cannot be true and others not true. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 13:06:28 [Permalink]
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And from this page about 1 John:- 1:1-4 We have seen and testify to the word of life so that you may see it, have eternal life, and fellowship with us.
- 1:5-2:14 God is light. Those who know Him must walk in the light. They do this by loving one another. But if they do fail and sin, Jesus has already intervened to save us.
- 2:15-17 Focus on God's Kingdom, not the world around us and its desires, for the world will pass away.
- 2:18-27 Always know and acknowledge the true God; do not be led astray or forget the true Jesus and His work.
- 2:28-3:10 Through Christ we are Children of God - we are different from the world and are to show this by not sinning.
- 3:11-24 We are to love one another as God has loved us in Christ.
- 4:1-6 Test the spirits: follow leadings that proclaim the truth of Jesus, that He came in the flesh.
- 4:7-21 God is love and indeed loves us. He has shown us this by sending His Son through whom we are reconciled to Him. And we are to love one another as God has loved us.
- 5:1-12 We show our love of God by obeying His commands. All who have faith in His Son, and are therefore born of God, have overcome the world through that faith.
- 5:13-21 Those who believe have eternal life in the Son. God will grant any prayer from those who believe that is to His glory. God has blessed us to serve Him on this earth. Follow God and focus on Him.
I'm still really enjoying 1 John 2:2, which seems to say that Jesus paid for the whole world's sins. Nobody seems to be saying that the sins are paid for only if you have faith. Well, perhaps 1 John 2:23:No one who denies the Son has the Father But what testament is there that 1 John is correct at all? |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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4574 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2008 : 13:06:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
I disagree. Jesus said he was God. If this is not true, then nothing in Christianity is true. Parts of it cannot be true and others not true. |
Maybe Jesus was god but the apostles got his message wrong. Maybe Jesus wasn't god but the things he said about god the Father were correct. Maybe it's all mostly false except in the vague sense that a supernatural creator exists and wants up to be happy.
There are shades of truth, Robb. Just because you're of the mindset that it all must be true or everything crumbles apart doesn't mean that's the only logical possible conclusion. That's a limitation of your thinking.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Robb
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 13:34:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Maybe Jesus was god but the apostles got his message wrong. |
Possible, but if God created the universe then why would he let his word of salvation be corrupted?
| Maybe Jesus wasn't god but the things he said about god the Father were correct. |
Why would you choose to believe a liar. If he was not God then he is a liar and everythong else he says is suspect.
| Maybe it's all mostly false except in the vague sense that a supernatural creator exists and wants up to be happy. |
Then it is all false because there is not a vague sense in the bible that teaches that God just wants us to be happy.
| There are shades of truth, Robb. Just because you're of the mindset that it all must be true or everything crumbles apart doesn't mean that's the only logical possible conclusion. That's a limitation of your thinking. |
No doubt there are shades of truth with man. We are wicked. What God says is true, the Bible says God cannot lie. Shades of truth indicates deception.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 13:37:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
I disagree. Jesus said he was God. If this is not true, then nothing in Christianity is true. Parts of it cannot be true and others not true. |
So... I am to abandon decades of skepticism, demanding firm evidence to support wild claims, to take the word of an itinerate and quite possibly insane rabbi whose actions and speech were written about by his faithful followers, then? Hell, Robb, that's the very definition of 'faith.' I do not trust 'faith' and have none in much of anything, myself. There's just too many forms of it and one hell of a lot (nearly all?) of it is misguided. Indeed, a great many of mankind's trivales, religious and otherwise, can be directly ascribed to misplaced 'faith.'
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Robb
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 13:44:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Robb
I disagree. Jesus said he was God. If this is not true, then nothing in Christianity is true. Parts of it cannot be true and others not true. |
So... I am to abandon decades of skepticism, demanding firm evidence to support wild claims, to take the word of an itinerate and quite possibly insane rabbi whose actions and speech were written about by his faithful followers, then? Hell, Robb, that's the very definition of 'faith.' I do not trust 'faith' and have none in much of anything, myself. There's just too many forms of it and one hell of a lot (nearly all?) of it is misguided. Indeed, a great many of mankind's trivales, religious and otherwise, can be directly ascribed to misplaced 'faith.'
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I understand that you have decided that Jesus was not God. I wish you would reconsider. However, do you think anything in the Bible is true? |
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