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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 02/06/2008 : 11:04:35
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[I wasn't sure whether this should go in Politics or Religion]
A few months ago, Huckabee publicly credited God for his success in the campaign.
Yesterday, on Super Tuesday, Huckabee did best in the South. He's projected to win the Republican races Arkansas, Tennessee, and Alabama.
Yesterday, on Super Tuesday, severe tornadoes struck the South, killing at least 47 people in Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky. (Quite unusual for winter, the season in which tornadoes are least likely to occur.)
Huckabee hasn't said anything publicly about what this means God intends now for his candidacy. Who knows, he may even use his incisive religious logic & interpret the tornadoes as the work of the devil, trying to undermine his success.
Just imagine if Huckabee's supporters put 1 and 1 together & came to a different conclusion, using a different but equally valid school of religious logic, that God doesn't want Huckabee to be president (or, that Satan does) & that the US will be punished in a similar manner for the next 4 years if he's elected.
Voting can no longer be restricted on the basis of property ownership, gender, race, or literacy. That's a good thing. But boy is it tempting to suggest that a "reality check" should be required for an American to exercise their voting rights.
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 11:33:28 [Permalink]
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YO: I emailed the following to some friends this morning BEFORE I read Zebra's remarks shown just above.
"Using The Reverend Pat Robertson's theological 'logic,' the reason several Southern states were battered by vicious storms is due to Mike Huckabee's good showing in the region last night, right?
New bumper sticker? Shut The Huck Up.
What's surely putting a chill up the spine of most affected Southerners this morning is that George War Bush is already praying for them and declaring he'll do all he can. That's enough to cause anybody to scurry back into the storm cellar under a blue sky."
Orwellingly Yurz also Sez: I then felt I should share it here with my skeptical friends, as well. Looks like I was first---EXCEPT after
Zebra. My topic title, had it been the initial comment, was "God Speaks To The South."
OY ! |
"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
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The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
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--J. Paul Getty
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"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 11:50:04 [Permalink]
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| I too had this thought, so you can be sure the fundys did as well.Then again they all credit God for saving them from the tornados and ignore what God did to those killed, Obama voters likely... |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 14:44:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Zebra
A few months ago, Huckabee publicly credited God for his success in the campaign.
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... it defies all explanation, it has confounded the pundits.
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This man is delusional if he thinks the pundits haven't figured it out. Honest pundits that is, who aren't afraid of pissing off the loonies who vote for Huck.
Huck's a joke. And we can't afford to have another one in the white house. |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 17:02:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Zebra
Just imagine if Huckabee's supporters put 1 and 1 together & came to a different conclusion, using a different but equally valid school of religious logic, that God doesn't want Huckabee to be president (or, that Satan does) & that the US will be punished in a similar manner for the next 4 years if he's elected. |
What happened four to seven years ago didn't have any effect on the outcome of the election where Bush got re-elected... I don't think religious people are rational enough for a reasoned choice. But then, they may just be gluttons for punishment. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
354 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 23:38:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Orwellingly Yurz
YO: I emailed the following to some friends this morning BEFORE I read Zebra's remarks shown just above.
"Using The Reverend Pat Robertson's theological 'logic,' the reason several Southern states were battered by vicious storms is due to Mike Huckabee's good showing in the region last night, right?
New bumper sticker? Shut The Huck Up.
What's surely putting a chill up the spine of most affected Southerners this morning is that George War Bush is already praying for them and declaring he'll do all he can. That's enough to cause anybody to scurry back into the storm cellar under a blue sky."
Orwellingly Yurz also Sez: I then felt I should share it here with my skeptical friends, as well. Looks like I was first---EXCEPT after
Zebra. My topic title, had it been the initial comment, was "God Speaks To The South."
OY !
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Too bad you didn't post first. I like your topic title & comments better, and *bonus* you included a funny bumper sticker idea.
But I guess God wanted me to post first, since he didn't intervene by making my computer crash or something...
He still has a chance to intervene here, though. Our caucus is on Saturday. Batten the hatches, voting day is coming and boy is God mad!  |
I think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone* -Dick Cheney
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2008 : 02:57:48 [Permalink]
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"Religious logic" -- what amazing images that contradiction in terms can bring to mind! Among many others:
And so forth....
Huck's not stupid. As long as he attribures everything to the Christian version of God, one way or 'nother, he'll always have an effective, political base -- the fact that said base is currently getting it's sanctimonous ass kicked and is in utter disarray not withstanding.
I think that it will be a long time before we see & hear the last of Huck's shuck, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I find him highly amusing.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
529 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2008 : 19:04:16 [Permalink]
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YO! The link posted below is in no way to make lite of the deaths of the people listed.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/15253908/detail.html
OY Sez: Buuut to use the current super-fundie logic, looks to me like God is still pissed about Mike Huckabee getting all them votes the other evening in that neck o' the woods.
OY! |
"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
--Bob Dylan
The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
--me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
--J. Paul Getty
"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
--Oscar Wilde
"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus
"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
--Albert Camus
"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
--Oscar Wilde |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2008 : 03:37:56 [Permalink]
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Zebra......
Do you mean THIS Huckabee?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2008 : 09:29:02 [Permalink]
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Here's something interesting:
How McCain Can Convince the Right
By ALFRED S. REGNERY
February 7, 2008; Page A19
John McCain is not the first Republican nominee to give conservatives fits. In 1952, Dwight Eisenhower promised Robert Taft's supporters that he was just as conservative as Mr. Republican, as Taft was known. By the time Ike finished his two terms, conservatives were so disappointed they vowed never again to support a moderate based on vague pledges of conservative fealty.
Few stuck to that promise, and ultimately many threw their support to Richard Nixon, Jerry Ford, Bob Dole and both Bushes. Most feel badly burned as a result. So it is no surprise that now, when the conservative movement is the dominant force in Republican circles, conservatives feel very wary about supporting anybody who is less than one of their own.
Mr. McCain cannot get elected without the conservative vote. Unless he goes out of his way to assure conservatives that he is as conservative as he likes to tell them he is, many will simply stay home, as they did in 1976, 1992 and 1996, and regroup and find an acceptable candidate for 2012. Rush Limbaugh probably stated it as clearly as anybody when he told a reporter that Mr. McCain could not succeed as president, and that he'd rather see a Democrat fail than a Republican. Unless Mr. McCain makes some very definite proposals, Mr. Limbaugh could have plenty of company.
A little farther along he sez:
- Pick a conservative running mate early. Mr. McCain needs a young vice president with stellar conservative credentials so that conservatives can know that an acceptable successor is being trained and waiting in the wings. Nothing would endear conservatives more, and nothing would make it clearer that Mr. McCain is serious about reaching out to them. Rudy Giuliani, Joe Lieberman and especially his friend, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, will not do, and would send many conservatives over the edge. One option would be 47-year-old Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina.
- Get specific on judicial nominations. Although Mr. McCain has said he would appoint judges in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, he also said he was worried that Samuel Alito wore his conservatism on his sleeve. Mr. McCain needs to pledge that he will appoint judges who will interpret the Constitution based on the original intent of the Founders. That goes not only for the Supreme Court, but all federal judges as well.
Supreme Court & other judicial nominations are one of the biggest reasons not to put McCain in office. There is already a suffient number of fascists on those benchs thanks to a chickenshit Congress.
Huckabee is not likely to get the call for VP, even though Dobson has at last endorsed him. But unfortunatly, this too-late boost will add to Huck's credibility, which was failing largely due to his economic policies, among the religious conservatives.
Maybe he can get a gig at the Discovery Insane Asy... Institute. Whatever happens, we'll have not heard the last of him. Sadly.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2008 : 02:01:35 [Permalink]
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| To say that god can be credited for the outcome of any open democratic election, is a display of arrogance, an extraordinary detachment from reality, as well as complete disregard for the voters. Anyone who says that is simply not fit to run for president of the USA of all countries, and certainly is completely unfit to be the leader of the free world. But if enough people are ready to vote for him, I guess that's what will happen. Too bad it affects the sane as well. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/16/2008 : 05:13:54 [Permalink]
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The far Right in the GOP, the pack of theonazis, militarists, authoritarians, and plutocrats that make up the faltering NeoCon coalition, is directly responsible for McCain's victory. Because they failed to unite behind one of their own, they divided their efforts between Romney and Huckabee. Others in the GOP are under no obligation to them just because they fucked up and got trounced.
McCain, however, truly can't win without their support. But since he has identified himself with George Bush (the Worst President Ever), has called for the Iraq war to go on for another hundred years, and has flip-flopped to support torture of captives, he can't win with their support, either. And it would be very luke-warm support, even if he got it.
McCain's screwed, the NeoCons have fucked themselves through public reaction to their abuses during the last eight years, and the GOP is doomed to years of obscurity, until it can finally throw out the theonazis and get back to its earlier traditional conservative-to-centrist philosophies.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
529 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2008 : 20:58:06 [Permalink]
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YO: Here's another item that posts well in this thread. It's especially well-suited for those who continue to fail to perceive
the similarities between the leaders of Iran and the current gang
that's holed-up in the White House.
Iran Says God Protects Nuclear Program 6:35 PM ET
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Sunday that God would punish Iranians if they do not support the country's disputed nuclear program, state radio reported.
OY Sez: Pish Posh !!!
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"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
--Bob Dylan
The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
--me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
--J. Paul Getty
"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
--Oscar Wilde
"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus
"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
--Albert Camus
"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
--Oscar Wilde |
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Huckabee & religious "logic"
