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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 03/02/2008 : 15:45:02
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I thought some of you might be interested in this thread at the Skepticality forum.
After what I would call a tirade against psychiatry, my girlfriend, Michelle aka froydnslp stepped in with a reply of her own (even though it's posted under my name). I got a few words in too.
Enjoy!
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2008 : 17:30:18 [Permalink]
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Wow. Sculptingman is all over the place. A study that shows four meds may not do much better than placebo is, to him, an indictment of all drugs for depression. The "principal tenet" of psychiatry is repressed memories. His own experience tells him that PTSD is a physical, not mental, disease (nevermind what we know about anxiety).
This one is too good to not quote:| Psychiatric therapy is based upon a false assumption that emotional experience is "harmful". |
He really does think that psychiatrists believe that all mental disorders stem from childhood emotional trauma.
strummer's comment seems to be spot-on:| I find I do occasionally disagree with sculpt but understand where he's coming from. When he gets onto this subject though it's like someone's switched his rifle for a blunderbuss and any accuracy or aim disappears and the reactive force also knocks him backwards onto his arse. |
I mean, sculptingman has been in chat. He's a fine fellow. Haven't talked psychiatry with him, though. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2008 : 18:57:51 [Permalink]
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| You know, it makes me wonder if I have any issues like that. That just make me irrational. I mean, look at Slater. That one subject caused him to be completely nuts. And he left over it... |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/02/2008 : 22:51:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I mean, look at Slater. That one subject caused him to be completely nuts. And he left over it...
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I've heard the name mentioned here before, but what's the story there again? Dispute on politics or summat, right?
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 07:07:01 [Permalink]
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| Stupid Scientologists, ifecting everyone with their lunacy. In this case one bad apple does not spoil the bunch. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 07:43:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Kil
I mean, look at Slater. That one subject caused him to be completely nuts. And he left over it...
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I've heard the name mentioned here before, but what's the story there again? Dispute on politics or summat, right?
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He was homophobic. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 08:00:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Kil
I mean, look at Slater. That one subject caused him to be completely nuts. And he left over it...
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I've heard the name mentioned here before, but what's the story there again? Dispute on politics or summat, right?
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He was homophobic.
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Indeed he was; I was involved in the thread that flipped him out. A pity; I liked Slater as, I think, did most of us. I, for one, would be happy to welcome him back. His insights on many topics were excellent.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 09:16:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Stupid Scientologists, ifecting everyone with their lunacy. In this case one bad apple does not spoil the bunch.
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By the way, I don't think sculptingman is the least bit influenced by Scientology. I have seen this problem before, though usually the main target is repression.
There are those who think psychology is a soft science, to the point of accusing it of being all made up and only deserving of ridicule.
As far as I know, Martin Gardner started the Freud bashing which became popular among some skeptics. (Interestingly, and for no reason that I can figure, Carl Jung and his "collective conscious" has been largely left alone. Now there was a woo woo. Freud was doing the best science that he could and was not the least bit adverse to throwing one of his idea's away, if he couldn't find evidence for it.)
As near as I can see, it has become a case of willful ignorance of a wide ranging field that is now producing empirical evidence (beyond studying peoples behavior in controlled settings) by looking closely at brain function and development.
And then there are those pesky studies. All in all, those who would like to put psychology and snake oil sales in the same camp just don't know what they are talking about.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 09:17:35 [Permalink]
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| So is Sculptingman saying that how and who we talk to and interact with on a non-physical level has no bearing on peoples' health what-so-ever? In other words, it won't make any difference to my students' psychological health if I verbally abuse them than if I give a lot of positive reinforcement? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 09:25:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
So is Sculptingman saying that how and who we talk to and interact with on a non-physical level has no bearing on peoples' health what-so-ever? In other words, it won't make any difference to my students' psychological health if I verbally abuse them than if I give a lot of positive reinforcement?
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Hmmmm... Yes, I think that is one of the things he is saying. |
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dglas
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 09:27:13 [Permalink]
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Sculptingman and I have a long-standing disagreement about human potential. In my view, his position is relentlessly negative and based on presumptions that are not necessarily true. He, of course disagrees and has an eloquent and convincing writing style. Damn his eyes! :)
Honestly, though, I think I'd like the guy if I actually met him. Now, if only I could actually log in over at Skepticality... |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 09:34:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dglas
Sculptingman and I have a long-standing disagreement about human potential. In my view, his position is relentlessly negative and based on presumptions that are not necessarily true. He, of course disagrees and has an eloquent and convincing writing style. Damn his eyes! :)
Honestly, though, I think I'd like the guy if I actually met him. Now, if only I could actually log in over at Skepticality...
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I like him too. But hey, no one gets a pass... |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 11:18:29 [Permalink]
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| Sorry, didnt mean to imply that he was a Scientologist, just that their philosophy is infecting other circles now since they mask themselves so well. |
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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The Sham of Psychiatry
