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marfknox
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Dude
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 Posted - 02/28/2008 : 12:48:55 [Permalink]
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Whats the word I'm looking for here....
BULLSHIT.
Yeah, thats it.
No one can be allergic to water. It makes up most of your body's mass.
Something else is going on here, but to claim an allergy to water is absurd.
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marfknox
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:03:41 [Permalink]
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Dude wrote: | No one can be allergic to water. It makes up most of your body's mass. |
An allergy is: "an abnormal reaction of the body to a previously encountered allergen introduced by inhalation, ingestion, injection, or skin contact, often manifested by itchy eyes, runny nose, wheezing, skin rash, or diarrhea." So a non-reaction to the water inside her body doesn't mean that the reaction to the water on her skin can't qualify as an allergy.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allergy
From the article Dude just linked to: | Water urticaria, or aquagenic urticaria, is a rare condition in which hives develop within 1 to 15 minutes after contact with water. The hives last for 10 to 120 minutes and do not seem to be caused by histamine release like the other physical hives. Most investigators believe that this condition is actually exquisite skin sensitivity to additives in the water such as chlorine. |
If indeed the reaction is caused by additives in the water, then the allergy is not to water. However, it looks like it is not yet known for sure what is causing the reaction, so saying the claim is "absurd" is an overstatement.
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marfknox
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:09:38 [Permalink]
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Also, how is the article bullshit when it concludes with this: Nina Goad of the British Association of Dermatologists says: "There isn't a wealth of information about Aquagenic Urticaria because it's extremely rare.
"We're not sure how many cases there are in the world and we do not yet fully understand the precise mechanisms that trigger the weals." |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:12:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
An allergy is: "an abnormal reaction of the body to a previously encountered allergen introduced by inhalation, ingestion, injection, or skin contact, often manifested by itchy eyes, runny nose, wheezing, skin rash, or diarrhea." So a non-reaction to the water inside her body doesn't mean that the reaction to the water on her skin can't qualify as an allergy. |
The cells of the skin contain water, even "dry" skin, and there's water in the air constantly bouncing off the skin. Water is so ubiquitous that it's impossible to not be having water making skin contact in some way or another all the time. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:15:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
...and there's water in the air constantly bouncing off the skin. |
Right. The aliens in M. Night Shyamalan's movie Signs suffered from the same "plot hole."
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pleco
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:17:48 [Permalink]
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| Perhaps the concentration of water molecules per cubic centimeter (for example) must reach a certain threshold before the condition triggers. One grain of pollen will not cause an allergic person to start sneezing. |
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marfknox
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:19:04 [Permalink]
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Dave wrote: | The cells of the skin contain water, even "dry" skin, and there's water in the air constantly bouncing off the skin. Water is so ubiquitous that it's impossible to not be having water making skin contact in some way or another all the time. |
I know that. But is something discounted as an allergy if the reaction requires a certain quantity of the allergen to come into contact with a certain part of the body in a certain way? This woman has this reaction when she sweats. Obviously the sweat contains the allergen, whether it is H2O or some additive. The reaction doesn't happen just because the allergen is in her body. It requires that the allergen be in contact with her skin in a certain quantity. So I fail to see how her having water in her skin cells makes it impossible for her to have an allergy to more excess amounts of water being on her skin.
Like I said, if the allergen turns out to be not H2O, but rather, something in the water, then indeed it is not an allergy to water in a technical sense, but only seems like such. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:19:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Perhaps the concentration of water molecules per cubic centimeter (for example) must reach a certain threshold before the condition triggers. One grain of pollen will not cause an allergic person to start sneezing.
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Or perhaps the condition is psychosomatic.
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pleco
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:22:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by pleco
Perhaps the concentration of water molecules per cubic centimeter (for example) must reach a certain threshold before the condition triggers. One grain of pollen will not cause an allergic person to start sneezing.
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Or perhaps the condition is psychosomatic.
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Definitely a possibility. Should be rather trivial to test. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:30:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Should be rather trivial to test.
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Really? How? Most liquids contain water as a base. Things like alcohol or oil feel different on the skin. And even her own sweat causes her to break out, so contact sweat could always contaminate results. I don't see how you could put something on her skin without her being aware whether or not it contains water or could prompt sweating.
But maybe you already have a suitable test in mind.
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Dude
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:39:25 [Permalink]
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Tissue sample.
Cut some skin off her and see if it reacts in vitro.
Or, better yet, get a list of all the things added to water and found in water naturally, isolate them, and perform one of those skin allergy tests on her with each sustance.
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Dude
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:41:27 [Permalink]
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Or splash her with pure H2O. That would rule out contents in the water as the cause.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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pleco
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:44:44 [Permalink]
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I was thinking along the lines of the standard allergy test on the back so she couldn't see the application. Also perhaps a mild sedative could be issued to lower anxiety assuming this could be determined not to affect the histamine reaction.
I would use distiled water, oil (vegetable and mineral), rubbing alcohol, a cold dry metal, nothing (control), talcum powder, soap, cotton, salt...I could think of several more things. |
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Risendemonx
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Posted - 02/28/2008 : 13:50:46 [Permalink]
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Whether it was an allergy or not, I think the general idea is agreed upon-
It would absolutely SUCK to have that condition! |
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Allergy to Water
