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Bill scott
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 Posted - 03/05/2008 : 13:16:06 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| It also means there are about twice as many people who've engaged in anal sex as there are Evangelical Christians in the US. |
I never claimed the Evangelical pop in the US to be huge.
| But forced penetration is required in all anal sex encounters. |
You really don't know much about the subject, do you? |
I am sure not as much as you. |
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emsby
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 13:21:52 [Permalink]
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| Maybe I did misunderstand. I thought you were saying that strictly only Christian kids have ever taken a virginity pledge. I apologize for the confusion. |
OK, good, I'm glad we cleared that up.
Why? The only claim that I made was that it was a number higher then zero. |
Fine. However...
| How so? HH's link only looked at the risky behavior of kids that took the pledge and it did not break it down to Christian kids who took the pledge vs non-Christian kids who took the pledge. So your just assuming that the Christian kids who took the pledge were more likely to engage in risky behavior over the non-Christian kids who took the pledge. |
If you're only claiming that the number of non-Christian children taking the pledge is higher than zero, why do you take issue with this? If we're in agreement that the vast number of children who take the pledge are Christian (or are you still denying this?), and that children who take these pledges are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior, obviously his point is correct. The majority of kids engaging in risky behavior as a result of taking virginity pledges are Christians. It's just logic, my friend. A has characteristic X. Those with characteristic X are more likely to also have characteristic Z. Therefore, A is more likely to have characteristic Z.
| Well I suppose after that many beers they probably would be into just about anything. |
I'm not sure exactly what that statement was supposed to imply, but no, it was not after many beers. |
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| Edited by - emsby on 03/05/2008 13:22:40 |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 13:24:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
How so? HH's link only looked at the risky behavior of kids that took the pledge and it did not break it down to Christian kids who took the pledge vs non-Christian kids who took the pledge. So your just assuming that the Christian kids who took the pledge were more likely to engage in risky behavior over the non-Christian kids who took the pledge. |
You're right, bill. I should have said "Christian kids or the children of non-Christians who have Christian programs forced onto them anyway."
This doesn't change the main point, which is that it is Christian policies which are responsible for this harm. The utter failure of theology-based health policies are glaringly apparent, so I've come to expect that means you will not admit any such thing.
| Well I suppose after that many beers they probably would be into just about anything. |
WTF? How many beers would it take for you to have anal sex, bill? What a dumb shit thing to say.
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pleco
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 13:32:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Originally posted by pleco |
| Forced vaginal sex penetration results in the same. |
But forced penetration is required in all anal sex encounters.
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Um, no that is incorrect. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 13:37:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by emsby
The majority of kids engaging in risky behavior as a result of taking virginity pledges are Christians. It's just logic, my friend. A has characteristic X. Those with characteristic X are more likely to also have characteristic Z. Therefore, A is more likely to have characteristic Z.
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The really interesting thing (that should be obvious) is this:
Christians who get abstinence-only sex education are at higher risk of getting pregnant, contracting STD etc. than Christians who get "real" sex-ed.
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emsby
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 13:39:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by emsby
The majority of kids engaging in risky behavior as a result of taking virginity pledges are Christians. It's just logic, my friend. A has characteristic X. Those with characteristic X are more likely to also have characteristic Z. Therefore, A is more likely to have characteristic Z.
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The really interesting thing (that should be obvious) is this:
Christians who get abstinence-only sex education are at higher risk of getting pregnant, contracting STD etc. than Christians who get "real" sex-ed.
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You're absolutely right. In countries where children receive sex education in school from a young age, you find teen pregnancy and STDs at much lower rates. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:12:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
I am sure not as much as you. |
Well, there we have it. You're here to make statements that look like facts, but are actually just demonstrations of how well you can wallow in your ignorance. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:13:27 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by emsby |
| If you're only claiming that the number of non-Christian children taking the pledge is higher than zero, why do you take issue with this? If we're in agreement that the vast number of children who take the pledge are Christian (or are you still denying this?), |
I never denied it.
| and that children who take these pledges are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior, |
Risky sexual behavior other then vaginal intercourse.
| The majority of kids engaging in risky behavior as a result of taking virginity pledges are Christians. |
As a result of virginity pledges, yes. As you have stated the vast majority who take the pledge are Christians. But the majority of kids who engage in risky sexual behavior, including vaginal intercourse, for any reason other then virginity pledges are non-Christians. So I guess my point was/is that risky behavior among young people is not just limited to Christians who have took some pledge, but it is prevalent as well with many young people who have taken no pledge and were taught in school to have "safe" sex.
| I'm not sure exactly what that statement was supposed to imply, but no, it was not after many beers. |
I am sure that is what he told you. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:18:01 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by H. Humbert |
| This doesn't change the main point, which is that it is Christian policies which are responsible for this harm. The utter failure of theology-based health policies are glaringly apparent, so I've come to expect that means you will not admit any such thing. |
No, the Christian "policy" did not fail. The one who took the pledge failed to keep it. Had they kept the pledge they could have avoided all the pitfalls of not keeping it.
And why is the government looking into virginity pledges? Because telling a kid to go have sex but just be "safe" has not been working. The results are what they are.
| WTF? How many beers would it take for you to have anal sex, bill? |
There is no number. It disgusts me, even in a druken stupor. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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emsby
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:18:06 [Permalink]
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| But the majority of kids who engage in risky sexual behavior, including vaginal intercourse, for any reason other then virginity pledges are non-Christians. |
What?? Where the hell did you pull that from? Your ass? I suppose you've got so much bullshit shoved up there, you couldn't have anal sex even if you wanted to. Show me a citation for this.
| I am sure that is what he told you. |
Look, asshole... I've never even had anal sex. I do, however, have straight male friends and acquaintences, none of whom have ever expressed disgust when the topic of anal sex with a woman is brought up. I see now that you're just a rather impolite, typical ignoramus who resorts to personal attacks when cornered by facts. You can just fuck right off. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:25:59 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
The really interesting thing (that should be obvious) is this:
Christians who get abstinence-only sex education are at higher risk of getting pregnant, contracting STD etc. than Christians who get "real" sex-ed. |
Nope. The real interesting thing is that Christian, and non-Christian, teens who actually practice abstinence-only have an infinity lower chance of getting pregnant or contracting STD's etc... then the Christian or non-Christian teen who does not.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:38:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
The really interesting thing (that should be obvious) is this:
Christians who get abstinence-only sex education are at higher risk of getting pregnant, contracting STD etc. than Christians who get "real" sex-ed. |
Nope. The real interesting thing is that Christian, and non-Christian, teens who actually practice abstinence-only have an infinity lower chance of getting pregnant or contracting STD's etc... then the Christian or non-Christian teen who does not.
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This is obvious. Why is it interesting? Oh-- you were trying to be witty. I see. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:38:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
The really interesting thing (that should be obvious) is this:
Christians who get abstinence-only sex education are at higher risk of getting pregnant, contracting STD etc. than Christians who get "real" sex-ed. |
Nope. The real interesting thing is that Christian, and non-Christian, teens who actually practice abstinence-only have an infinity lower chance of getting pregnant or contracting STD's etc... then the Christian or non-Christian teen who does not.
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Except Dr. Mabuse said "get abstinence-only sex education", not if they practice it. You can't say "nope". The point is that the education makes a difference. Abstinence-only education does not work. Period.
Edit: added stupid emphasis tags because I'm afeared my point would be missed. |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:42:00 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by emsby |
| But the majority of kids who engage in risky sexual behavior, including vaginal intercourse, for any reason other then virginity pledges are non-Christians. |
What?? Where the hell did you pull that from? Your ass? I suppose you've got so much bullshit shoved up there, you couldn't have anal sex even if you wanted to. Show me a citation for this. |
It's logic my friend. In a typical HS 10% at most claim to be Christian. And of those that are sexually active they are not involved in Vaginal intercourse.(because of the whole pledge thing) So that only leaves non-Christian kids left who are having risky sex, including vaginal intercourse, for other reasons then a virginity pledge.
| I am sure that is what he told you. |
Look, asshole... I've never even had anal sex. I do, however, have straight male friends and acquaintences, none of whom have ever expressed disgust when the topic of anal sex with a woman is brought up. |
So you sit around with male acquaintances and discuss anal sex, without even any beer being involved? Interesting. That might explain some of your positions.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 14:42:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Nope. The real interesting thing is that Christian, and non-Christian, teens who actually practice abstinence-only have an infinity lower chance of getting pregnant or contracting STD's etc... then the Christian or non-Christian teen who does not. |
But since abstinence-only education only delays onset of sexual activity by a few months, on average, then abstinence-only education doesn't actually result in more teens practicing abstinence. Its only practical result is more pregnancy and more STDs among all teenagers. |
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