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moakley
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 Posted - 03/16/2008 : 14:08:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Nightwolf
emsby and moakley mocking someone doesnt really help proving a point all it shows is that your still acting instinctual using hatred or fear to prove a point but in the end all you do is show yourselves.
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Does believing that somehow make you more secure in your claim to have psychic ability. You need some way to support your claimed ability with some knid of ecidence. Projecting hatred or fear on doubters simply does nothing to support your claim.
Originally posted by Nightwolf
And as I had previously "claimed" that everyone is inherently psychic so everyone can do it with practice. Psipog has a lot of good info if you guys are willing to give it a try.
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Everyone is aware of your claim.
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Originally posted by Nightwolf
Moakley please accept my appologies I read emsby first and thought yours was barking up the same tree.
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No need to apologize. As an uncontructive asside I really do believe that you are deluded. My comments were in the same vain as emsby.
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moakley
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Posted - 03/16/2008 : 14:56:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Nightwolf
I have also noticed that you really are trying to scrutiize me forum could be my evidence on your physical plane that any post that I have put up you came back and scrutinized it dont say I think that way its right there on the internet. Is there in page 1, 2, 3, and this one as well if thats not evidence of you scruitinzing me then I dont know what is. But if its so that you understand me better thats cool but if not then well thats in your court...
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Well of course we are going to scutinize your assertion. This is a skeptics forum. Your believing something is not the same as your being able show evidence for something. |
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 03/16/2008 : 17:55:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Nightwolf
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I'm happy to be of assistance. 
Originally posted by Nightwolf
When I asked you about psipog and anything else about PK you come and say its parlor tricks well try doing those "parlor tricks" see where that gets you. Evidently the evidence that I have shown you guys isnt enough well how about testing it for yourselves but really giving those things a chance. So I ask you if you have tried it but really trying not just watching a Jedi movie and tried to move a chair once and saying oh this is crap thats not really a chance. Until then I dont think it being wise calling it parlor tricks because that is self evident that that person is being closed minded, and jumping to assumtion and all those things. |
Do you think that you, or anyone else you know, could perform these sort of acts under relatively mundane control conditions?
If these powers can't be used this way, namely affecting matter/energy in the only reality we have good evidence for, then I say, "what good is are they?" If it can only effect your state of mind, there's plenty of non-woo ways of doing that, like regular mediation or relaxation, as you and many others here have mentioned.
If you honestly believe that a bit of training is all it takes to allow people to enact real physical (including energy) change in our observable reality, then I'd be arrogant enough to say that it's damned irresponsible not to do something more substantial than just yakking here about it.
There are a lot of ways you could go about it, but one simple one that comes to mind would be to take up Randi on his million dollar challenge, before it's off the table in a year or two. Even if you don't want/need the money, the successful attempt alone would spur numerous serious efforts into the new branch of investigation you will have demonstrated.
While you might not have envisaged specific outcomes, others who follow in your footsteps may well be able to harness this awesome power to cure cancer, end world hunger, or even produce an astrologer who can make more accurate predictions than a packet of dice.
Of course, of you want to start off with something simpler, requiring far less effort, you could start by using your powers to clean the clocks of those participating in the SFN psychic contest. (Hint, if your powers don't extend to actual future prediction, you could just make a few specific claims and use your other worldly powers to ensure your predictions happen as predicted).
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Nightwolf
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Posted - 03/16/2008 : 18:29:17 [Permalink]
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I have no idea who was the first scientist but most scientists back in the day thought themselves as alchemists instead of scientist like Newton.
But you are correct filthy
"Ok, I might as well be the one to finally say it: Science, by it's very nature, cannot deal with the paranormal. The paranormal, by it's very nature, cannot be observed, tested nor experimented upon, therefore it is outside the purview of science. If it could observed, tested and experimented upon, then it wouldn't be paranormal, would it?"
Alchemy is copying nature and everything that that entails. Science is understanding the physical reality. But think of the word paranormal it coveys an idea of something that is not normal that is a rare occurance. But in nature everything that occurs including the unseen is part of it... which is ultimatly what alchemist try to understand.
Wether you believe in something or not if lots of people have felt something and experiance something even those cases must be studied with an opened mind.
Unfortunately for people, they dont realize their own potential their own influence over the reality that they believe to be solid. If someone gets mad people feel it, if you hang out with your friend you are influenced by them if you strike a tunning fork things around it begin to vibrate the same. This occurs just the same as with the friends, as I said earlier there is that phenomenon that science has yet to give a scientific understanding of why females seem to go into the same time for their periods. Its a mere but one example of many phenomenons out there the science still classify as phenomenon, that they have not yet found the equation or the repeatable 'physical' proof.
Lets look at something which is somewhat of a hit, have you guys seen "The Secret" it shows the power of people influencing over their reality and has actual cases of peoples stories. Very interesting, skeptic or not there is a quantum physisist so theres something for everyone ;) I think he would understand the concept of the "observer" better than anyone of us here.
I have known that sometimes I dont express myself very well but I do try, if it gets the concept across then I would deem that a success but please if you do add something dont let it be because of my bad grammer or spelling if you dont understand something that I have previously said please ask and I shall try to clarify it better. It is hard sometimes trying to express concepts in ways that people can understand some concepts are more difficult to show there is also a difference in knowing a concept and understanding it, an example would be of parents love, you really never understand it until you become one.
And Kil nice bit of info there but from my books on alchemy the scientist who read it are clearly misunderstanding the concepts look at filthy's comment.
Dr. Mabuse how do you think I could rephrase it so that I dont offend anyone then so I dont sound closed minded or arrogant.
I guess your right Moakley about the scrutiizing, but if anyone does say something I only ask to keep the emotions and the concepts apart because even via the internet emotions are sensed.
But I guess your guys were right as originally posted skeptics are sticks in the mud, not really what I think but what someone said. And I do again apologies if I had offended anyone that was never my intention, nor to sound arrogant for that matter. But I must say thank you guys for you posts, even the funny ones it showed me something about myself and I have learn much from you guys, so thank you all for listening to my silly ;) ideas, and for your responses. I am not saying that I accept what you guys say but I am glad to have learned somethings about myself, about my ego and to basically become a better person.
So I shall no longer say anything else, so rejoice because I shall bother you no longer :)
PS. Dave said this as the last thing because he wanted the last word... (So Dave I am leaving you a space where you can say anything wether it be insulting or not I wish you peace in the end.)
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Some people take Skepticism is a religion. It isn't its to question everything till ultimately finding the truth. If that is your case then we are on the same path then. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/16/2008 : 21:12:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Nightwolf
...if you dont understand something that I have previously said please ask and I shall try to clarify it better. |
And then this:| So I shall no longer say anything else... |
Inconsistent much? How are you going to clarify anything if you won't say anything else?| PS. Dave said this as the last thing because he wanted the last word... |
No, I didn't. But I guess you'll never answer my questions now, huh? I asked half a dozen of them in my last post to you. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/16/2008 : 21:15:29 [Permalink]
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Oh, by the way:Originally posted by Nightwolf
Wether you believe in something or not if lots of people have felt something and experiance something even those cases must be studied with an opened mind. |
"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
I forget who said it, and I don't have time to look it up right now, but that quote is wisdom for all the ages. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/16/2008 : 23:03:21 [Permalink]
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Just in case you take another look at this thread Nightwololf here is a reply to some of your last post.
Nightwolf:
Unfortunately for people, they dont realize their own potential their own influence over the reality that they believe to be solid. If someone gets mad people feel it, if you hang out with your friend you are influenced by them if you strike a tunning fork things around it begin to vibrate the same. This occurs just the same as with the friends, as I said earlier there is that phenomenon that science has yet to give a scientific understanding of why females seem to go into the same time for their periods. Its a mere but one example of many phenomenons out there the science still classify as phenomenon, that they have not yet found the equation or the repeatable 'physical' proof. |
What you miss here is that studying why some females seem to have synchronized cycles is in the realm of the falsifiable. That's to say that science can deal with it. There are a few hypotheses out there. The problem is being studied.
excerpt from an article in the New Scientist:
Hilary Els St Austell, Cornwall
Social regulation of ovulation, of which the most common form is menstrual synchronicity, has been observed in women living together. It has been found in room-mates, close friends, lesbian couples and most strongly between mothers and daughters. It has also been noted in mice, hamsters and rats, as well as prosimian primates such as the ring-tailed lemur.
The pioneer in this field of research is Martha McClintock of the Department of Psychology at the University of Chicago. She first reported her observation in Nature in 1971 and it has come to be known as the McClintock effect. It is believed that chemosensory signalling involving at least two pheromones and the vomeronasal organ (VNO), also known as Jacobson's organ, is responsible for the effect.
Pheromones are airborne chemical signals that are not consciously detected as odours but are sensed by the VNO inside the nose. They are released by specialised skin glands that are concentrated under the arms. Pheromonal signals received by the VNO reach the hypothalamus in the brain where they induce some hormonal changes that result in a physiological or behavioural response.
In rats there is some evidence for the involvement of pheromones in the McClintock effect - it seems that living in different cages with a common air supply is enough for ovulatory convergence. But although humans do have a potentially functional VNO, many are sceptical about whether it actually does anything.
Following up the original observation, Kathleen Stern and McClintock published experimental data in 1998 again in Nature which suggests that two pheromones specific to different phases of the menstrual cycle play a role in synchronicity.
The menstrual cycle consists of three phases: the menses, follicular (pre-ovulatory) and luteal (post-ovulatory) phases. One of the pheromones is released by women in the pre-ovulatory phase of their cycle and accelerates ovulation in others, that is, it shortens their cycle. The other one is emitted at the time of ovulation. It has a delaying effect and thus lengthens the others' cycle. The end result is that the cycles of women living closely tend to converge over time.
Menstrual convergence does not always occur and not all groups synchronise, probably because of the different competing influences encountered in different situations. In a group of unrelated women, it is not yet clear whether they all change equally to have common cycle lengths or a dominant woman's cycle is copied by others, although the latter is considered more likely.
Most studies to date have dealt with women |
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moakley
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Posted - 03/17/2008 : 05:49:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Nightwolf
"Ok, I might as well be the one to finally say it: Science, by it's very nature, cannot deal with the paranormal. The paranormal, by it's very nature, cannot be observed, tested nor experimented upon, therefore it is outside the purview of science. If it could observed, tested and experimented upon, then it wouldn't be paranormal, would it?"
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How fortunate for those claiming some kind of paranormal ability, such as yourself. You are completely unencumbered by any need to satisfy scientific inquiry and reality. Totally free to just make shit up. I suppose that George Castanza was right, 'It's not a lie if you believe it." Fits here, don't you think?
Originally posted by Nightwolf
But think of the word paranormal it coveys an idea of something that is not normal that is a rare occurance.
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But I believe that you were arguing earlier that anybody could learn the skills that you claim. Are you back peddling from that claim?
Originally posted by Nightwolf
Unfortunately for people, they dont realize their own potential their own influence over the reality that they believe to be solid. ...
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So paranormal abilities are not rare?
Originally posted by Nightwolf
I guess your right Moakley about the scrutiizing, but if anyone does say something I only ask to keep the emotions and the concepts apart because even via the internet emotions are sensed.
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And sometimes an emotional escalation is not a bad thing, it can lead to clarity of thought. You should look on this as an opportunity for open and honest feedback of your claimed ability. Critical evaluation of ones beliefs can be beneficial.
Originally posted by Nightwolf
But I guess your guys were right as originally posted skeptics are sticks in the mud, not really what I think but what someone said.
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And people claiming psychic ability are naive and gullible. Which is something I think and said.
Take care Nightworlf. I hope you figure it out soon. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 04:48:12 [Permalink]
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| And now they have a prime suspect! What are your opinions on Gun Control, Dave....just asking. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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