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bngbuck
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Posted - 04/22/2008 :  11:23:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Marf......

In response to Posted - 04/21/2008 : 14:12:51
I don't know why you asked me again what size audience; I already answered – at least one.




I asked Dave, Posted - 04/19/2008 : 00:53:01
Dave.....

For a tube of paint to be art, it must be presented as art by someone who intends it to be art, and accepted as art by an audience willing to do so.

What size audience?
You referred to that question in your post Posted - 04/19/2008 : 06:21:22
bngbuck wrote:
What size audience?

Any size audience. I and my husband occasionally do creative things for only each other that we regard as art.
I did not ask you again, I originally asked Dave. You two are not exactly welded at the hip!

When I posted - 04/19/2008 : 12:35:05...
Anything which is defined as creative expression by anyone, put into the context of art as defined by anyone, even the definer himself, is Art!

Is this what you meant?

I ask again: what size audience?
....to you, I asked you the question for the first time! I was looking for an expansion of your answer to my question addressed to Dave, which answer was posted 04/19/2008 : 06:21:22 ...
bngbuck wrote:
What size audience?

Any size audience. I and my husband occasionally do creative things for only each other that we regard as art.
1. Your response does not explicity address the possibility of an audience of zero - meaning no observer or appreciator of the "art" as created by and seen as art by the artist. Thus establiahing a unilateral definition of "art" not incorporating the sensibility of a perceiver.

2. Several new shadings of meaning had been overlapped onto the canvas of the meaning of "what is art" since that early post asking Dave 'what size audience'. My question had taken on additional meaning.




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filthy
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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  05:40:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No, Filth, in the eye of the beholder and in the eye and intent of the artist!

Conscious vision, as you have put it, or ideation - particularly innovative ideation, even (Krishna help us) inspiration should be present in the concept, and other parameters are emerging in this very useful discussion that gives me a somewhat clearer Image of the age-old question, "What is Art?"
But does not the artist "behold" his creation and often wonder what he could have been thinking when he added/subtracted this or that? The artist too is a beholder because however clear his vision (intent) might be, the finished product will only resemble it, to greater or lesser extent.




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