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bngbuck
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Posted - 05/12/2008 :  11:33:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Froydenschade (kidding).....


FS wrote....
I think that we (society, not me personally) really don't know what to do with animals (monsters) that kill. Killing is bad, right? So killing an animal (monster) that killed is bad.

1. Society, you, Kil, me, the Pope - no one knows what to do with animals that kill. Ultimately, practicality will dictate the answer. With a continuous increase in population and a constant or increasing capital crime rate, an ever greater percentage of a given country's population will be behind bars for capital crimes. Execution following many years of fruitless appeals is totally impractical from both a time-of-incarceration standpoint and a cost-effectiveness standpoint. However, life-imprisonment is arguably as oppressive (hell on earth) as execution for some! And life-imprisonment ultimately means thousands of prisons, also impractical from both above standpoints.

2. Imprisoning "lesser" animals for killing or hurting humans has a higher likelihood of being worse than execution for these creatures than it is for human animals. Particularly as applied to wild animals rather than domesticated ones.

3. Killing is bad. This statement demands some serious thought. "bad" for whom? Bad for the killed? Maybe, even probably. Bad for society? Not necessarily. What is the harm to society in executing Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Osama Bin Laden? Setting a precedent?

"Bad", in this context, is a theoretical construct with little basis in evidential fact. I challenge anyone to devise scientific experimentation that conclusively demonstrates that "killing" is bad. We have to kill to eat because we can't eat stones. We have to kill or allow killing to allow room and resource for new life. Killing for revenge or retribution is senseless, but some killing may indeed be necessary for society to survive - certainly the killing of plants (my wife just handed me a note, not house plants), and probably the killing of certain animals. We cannot change our basic metabolism and the total agricultural output of the entire world probably is not sufficient to support all animal life. Especially the monocarnivores! Life must consume life to remain viable!

Is the hunting of deer to thin a glutted population of the animals that are starving, a bad thing? No, but I loathe the hunting of animals! Is the slaughter of cattle for beef a bad thing? Yes, but I love a good steak!

It ain't simple!
the idea of what to do with the person whom, for whatever reason, doesn't get that simple “killing is bad” concept after the fact, is difficult and missing the point.
And the point is...
Some pit bulls have been raised to fight. And when they do sometimes they are put down. Monsters or pit bulls, it really doesn't solve the problem that they were raised to fight, does it?
Of course not. But how about the wild animal that kills other animals (cattle?) or humans? Not "trained" to behave in any way other than a perfectly natural way. Still a problem, tho'
There is a growing amount of evidence that people like Dahmer were genetically predisposed to their crimes. There are people who just don't feel fear like we do. And the idea is that these folks were born with this deficiency
Very useful research for possible future genetic engineering applications. But does it speak to the problem at hand; i.e. what to do with the convicted monster? Preventing future Dr. Frankenstiens doesn't help the poor villagers who are being bloodied by Boris K
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bngbuck
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Posted - 05/12/2008 :  12:04:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Perro.....

Cheers and beers!

I think a new thread may be a good way to enlarge this discussion depending on how far in what direction this one goes. Ever-increasing world population density is one of those Giganantosaur in the room problems that nobody really wants to acknowledge or talk about! You think climate control is a difficult subject to interest folks into doing something about? Population control is really a tough one! I mean the Catholics of the world are taught that it's a fucking sin (literally) to use birth control! And most of the nut case fundamentalist religionists in the US need lots of babies to train to propagate their idiotic faith!

But give it a try if you want, I'm a player!
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