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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 05/24/2008 : 07:03:30
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Crazy bitch, or just powerhungry with no morals.... You decide!
Check out the Olberman "special comment" about the special comments made by Hillary this week:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/clinton-kennedy-assassina_n_103319.html
Scroll down a bit to get to the Olberman video.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 07:47:40 [Permalink]
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Sigh. I heard about that and saw the Olberman thing yesterday. I can't imagine what she was thinking. Crazy...
Her desperation is showing now. If she doesn't get out very soon she will do what's left of her reputation nothing but harm. I really thought better of her. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 08:47:13 [Permalink]
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If she had come back right away with an apology, a sincere and real one, this would be over and less relevant that the "sniper fire" lie.
But her apparent lack of comprehension, or plain refusal to admit she chose her words poorly, (or worse yet, maybe she really is hoping for an assasssination) is pretty sad.
I don't know if I'd vote for her if she was going to be the nominee. I doubt I'd vote for Jonny Mac, but if she somehow manages to be the dem nominee I'll just sit this election out.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Starman
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Sweden
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 10:54:53 [Permalink]
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Anything's better than the Republican. Anything! I'd vote for her and I figure that I don't have to like it. I'd vote for Typhoid Mary before I would McCain because I really don't see where there is any choice in the matter. The country does not need another term of neo-con policies, and I don't want to sit around hoping the president & his entire administration will do us the favor of croaking en masse, as I've been doing for the last 7+.
McCain is little more than Bush with a senility factor.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 11:06:32 [Permalink]
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Well, I'm not convinced that Clinton would be much better than Bush/McCain. Not saying I'd vote for JonnyMac, just saying that if democrats prove they are just as scumbagish, or worse (like hoping for an assassination so you can get the nomination)... I'll be exploring other options that don't involve a ballot box.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Simon
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 11:14:39 [Permalink]
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Ok; I will be optimistic and hop that she just wanted to illustrate her point. When he was murdered; Bobby Kennedy was still campaigning. So the campaign was not over... and it was in June.
But, I would expect her to be smarter (and more experienced) than jeopardizing her party's chances.
So either we are severely overestimating her and her strategists or there is something that we don't know/understand going on (negotiations under the table?). |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 13:15:25 [Permalink]
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I think she simply made a very poorly-considered statement. Not a good sign never the less, as "lynch the nigger" thoughts seem to be going around, not excluding that idiot Huckabee's remark to the NRA (of which I am not a member), also ill-considered. If (when?) Obama is elected, I'd not be too suprised to see one or more of those shitheads of whom we all know give it the ol' Klannage try.
This is turning out to be an historic election, and anyone who thinks that's a good thing needs to start smoking something else. But it certainly is as fascinating to watch as it is futile to analyze.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Chippewa
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 13:48:51 [Permalink]
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filthy - Very well put. I think she's blown the chances of Barack Obama offering her the VP slot in the campaign, but then again, this is a wild and woolly time. As one pundit mentioned, if she were VP and six months into the presidency Barack said to Hillary, "I need you to attend a banquet in Finland", would she go?
Right now, I'm wondering if Wesley Clark might be a good choice to run with Obama. He's a democrat, Hillary supporter, retired general - might quite things down and make a good foil to McCain's military background. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 14:54:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
filthy - Very well put. I think she's blown the chances of Barack Obama offering her the VP slot in the campaign, but then again, this is a wild and woolly time. As one pundit mentioned, if she were VP and six months into the presidency Barack said to Hillary, "I need you to attend a banquet in Finland", would she go?
Right now, I'm wondering if Wesley Clark might be a good choice to run with Obama. He's a democrat, Hillary supporter, retired general - might quite things down and make a good foil to McCain's military background.
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I think that General Clark would be an excellent choice any way you cut it; arguably the best one out there.
I also think that Hillary would indeed go to Finland; it would be her job and no one has ever accused her of being a slacker. I wonder about Bill, though. What influence would he have on an Obama/Clinton administration? Indeed, what influence might he have on one that doesn't include his wife?
And if (when?) Obama/Not-Hillary is elected what to do with her? Back to the Senate? That's a pretty good idea, but why not nominate her to the Supreme Court? There's going to be a number of openings this next term and getting her on the bench would keep her out of trouble for life as well as smoothing ruffled, Clintonian feathers. As for Bill, hell, everybody overseas loves him, so appoint him Secretary of State.
But then, it's a bit premature for these speculations. I have little doubt that the Republican election-riggers are already gearing up to screw Obama or Clinton if they can.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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bngbuck
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 16:19:42 [Permalink]
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Dude.....
I'm actually kind of grateful for the Hillary meltdown. Although I agree with Filthy that absolutely anything is better than McCain, more Republican Fascism, and an endless continuation of Cheney/Bush/Neocon policies; I think it is well that Hillary-Billary has exposed her true colors!
It is not a pretty sight, but I, for one, am glad to see the real Hillary and the full Clinton Concept revealed in all it's ugliness!! There was a time I was all for her as a liberal and a badly-needed woman potential President. No more! She and Bill are as common-dirt political hacks as the worst of the Republican slash and burn barbarians! I would HATE to have to vote for her if she got the Dem nomination, but I'm afraid I would! Talk about Hobson's Choice! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 17:53:50 [Permalink]
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'Tis better to have Hobson's Choice than the Faustian Bargain the Republicans have made, dating back to Reagan. I'm comfortable with it.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 23:25:33 [Permalink]
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Maybe I'm just not cynical enough (or maybe too cynical?) to vote for her anyway if she were to be the nominee. I want to be able to live with myself after an election. Sitting it out seems like a better option to me than voting for JonnyMac or Hillary at this point.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 07:47:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Maybe I'm just not cynical enough (or maybe too cynical?) to vote for her anyway if she were to be the nominee. I want to be able to live with myself after an election. Sitting it out seems like a better option to me than voting for JonnyMac or Hillary at this point.
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See, I have never had this problem and never considered not voting. It is easy for me to vote for our liar rather than their liar.
And with the looming wipe out the republicans are facing in races for congressional and senate seats, a democrat in the white house, any democrat in the white house would mean a reversal of the insane policies of the last eight years. I would sleep fine at night knowing that my liar was not an anti science, anti choice, anti healthcare, (this list could go on) neocon.
Slick Willie left the country better off when he left with his 65% approval rating. And we all saw him lie through his teeth. Sure, he was better at it than Hillary, but what the hell?
Doesn't really matter though. Hillary has run off at the mouth one time to many it seems. In all likelihood, the Hillary option is off the table... |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 12:07:30 [Permalink]
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Kil....
Although it pains me greatly to say it, you are absolutely right! Billary are a quintessential lying political douchebag pair, but they're our lying douchebags, not the fascist neocons! And that is all the difference in the world!
Talk about not being able to live with yourself! How about by failing to cast your vote against the continuation of Bush/Cheney for 4 or even 8 more years until we become the Fourth Reich, with Mein Führer McCain leading the jackboots? |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 12:24:57 [Permalink]
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Kil said:
| Slick Willie left the country better off when he left with his 65% approval rating. And we all saw him lie through his teeth. Sure, he was better at it than Hillary, but what the hell? |
All politicians lie, so what?
I'm talking about a depth of delusion that is just as frightening to me as that of the neocons. Hillary doesn't appear much different in her Iraq position than McCain, sure, they word it up a bit different... but the substance seems the same.
Add in her apparent wish for an Obama assassination, her delusion of ever being "under sniper fire", etc...
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Hillary...
