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NottyImp
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Posted - 05/31/2002 :  04:33:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send NottyImp a Private Message
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When one feels "pride" in their country, it is for being a part of a group that shares collective ideals.


But that's part of the problem. What are those collective ideals, and with whom are they shared?

"My body is a temple - I desecrate it daily."
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Gorgo
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Posted - 05/31/2002 :  04:40:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
"Collective ideals" means those ideals which a certain few would have you believe they care about.

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But that's part of the problem. What are those collective ideals, and with whom are they shared?



"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn
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Lars_H
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Germany
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Posted - 05/31/2002 :  05:24:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lars_H a Private Message
Whenever I hear a group of people speak with one voice, I can't help but think that there are a lot of opinions not being heart.

I think that Slaters description of love is very good. I always thought of it as being blind, but now that i think about it 'mindless zombie' fits the bill even better.

I guess one can feel pride in the achievements of a group that one had no personal part in if one at least had a choice about joining that group. One can feel pride in the positive effects of policies and ideals one personally supports, but one should also feel the same amount of remorse if the ideals and policies one supported have negative effects.
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