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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/18/2004 : 08:39:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Those rediculous words wern't added to our curency and pledge until the 1950's, by the McCarthy freaks.
Actually, it was the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic fraternal organization who managed to get the the changes made. To hear todays fundies talk about it, you'd think they came up with it.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 09:51:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Dude
Those rediculous words wern't added to our curency and pledge until the 1950's, by the McCarthy freaks.
Actually, it was the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic fraternal organization who managed to get the the changes made. To hear todays fundies talk about it, you'd think they came up with it.
Could you please give provide reliable sources for that?
I'd love to have some ready if/when a relevant discussion occurs elsewhere. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 10:12:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Those rediculous words wern't added to our curency and pledge until the 1950's, by the McCarthy freaks.
Dude, you're a smart guy, but the word is "ridiculous," taken from the verb to ridicule. I hate being a spelling Nazi, but that's just one word I see misspelled far too often. It has the effect of drawing attention away from whatever point the writer is attempting to make.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 11:16:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Dude
Those rediculous words wern't added to our curency and pledge until the 1950's, by the McCarthy freaks.
Actually, it was the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic fraternal organization who managed to get the the changes made. To hear todays fundies talk about it, you'd think they came up with it.
Could you please give provide reliable sources for that?
I'd love to have some ready if/when a relevant discussion occurs elsewhere.
Okey-dokey. Here's something from their own web page:
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Knights Defend 'under God' in Pledge
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12/23/2003
NEW HAVEN, CT — Stating that the fundamental self-understanding of the United States — from the Declaration of Independence through everyday practices by Congress and the president — is in jeopardy, the Knights of Columbus, which led the effort to persuade President Dwight D. Eisenhower and the U.S. Congress in the 1950s to add the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance, has filed a friend of the court brief before the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of United States of America v. Newdow. In that case, a divided panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals declared mandatory recitation of the pledge unconstitutional because of the words "under God."
http://www.kofc.org/news/releases/detail.cfm?id=3107
I don't know if they were in some way alligned with the late, despised, Joe McCarthy or not. But, as more often than not they play the super-patriot, it wouldn't suprise me. Apparently, getting nonsense in the Pledge is their Great Acomplishment and they will fight tooth and icon to keep it that way.
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Siberia
SFN Addict
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Posted - 10/18/2004 : 14:01:07 [Permalink]
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| We've similar words in our currency, too. Only they're "God be hallowed" or whatever like that. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 06:05:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Dude
Those rediculous words wern't added to our curency and pledge until the 1950's, by the McCarthy freaks.
Actually, it was the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic fraternal organization who managed to get the the changes made. To hear todays fundies talk about it, you'd think they came up with it.
Could you please give provide reliable sources for that?
I'd love to have some ready if/when a relevant discussion occurs elsewhere.
Oh, and Doc, for the record, the Pledge was changed in 1954 to add "under God" at the urging of the Knights of Columbus but used by those in the administration to draw a clear line between the United States and the Soviet Union. So technically both Dude and Filthy are correct. The National Motto was changed from "E Pluribus Unum" to "In God We Trust", that motto was commanded printed on currency and coinage, and the oathes of office for federal judges was changed to include "so help me God" in 1956.
Salient quotes for the 1954 Act which clearly delineate this as something with no secular purpose.
"From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our Nation and our people to the Almighty" -- President Dwight Eisenhower while signing this legislation (100 Congressional Record 8618)
"At this moment of our history the principals underlying our American Government and the American way of life are under attack by a system whose philosophy is at direct odds with our own. Our American Government is founded on the concept of the individuality and the dignity of the human being. Underlying this concept is the belief that the human person is important because he was created by God and endowed by Him with certain inalienable rights which no civil authority may usurp. The inclusion of God in our pledge therefore would further acknowledge the dependence of our people and our government upon the moral directions of the Creator. At the same time it would serve to deny the atheistic and materialistic concepts of communism with its attendant subservience of the individual." -- H.R. Rep. No. 83-1693 at 1-2 (1954)
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 12:40:19 [Permalink]
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Dude, you're a smart guy, but the word is "ridiculous," taken from the verb to ridicule. I hate being a spelling Nazi, but that's just one word I see misspelled far too often. It has the effect of drawing attention away from whatever point the writer is attempting to make.
blah blah blah..... I'm to lazy to use the spellchecker. Nobody spells perfectly, especially me, who types with 3 or 4 fingers.
Seriously though..... spelling?
Ok...
You have a post on this page in which you use quotes in place of an apostrophe multiple times.....
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3199&whichpage=4
And in your post on 9/17/04 at 13:13 here...
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3194
You mispell receives as recieves, relevant as relevent, and substitute quotes for apostrophe's again....
And here, on 9/18/04, at 01:19...
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3194&whichpage=2
You mispell analogy as anology, acquire as aquire, and yet more of the quote substitution for apostrophe's.
On that same page, on 10/16/04, you also mispell conspiracy as consiracy.....
And here, on 10/12/04, at 15:12...
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3276&whichpage=2
You use untestible.... which isn't really a word..... even if you spell in untestable as "un-" is not a prefix that you would apply to the word "testable". The correct prefix, to indicate "not" is "in-". And it's still more grammatically correct to just say "not testable".
So... that's what I can find in 10 minutes worth of reading your recent posts....
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 12:56:10 [Permalink]
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Yeah, I feared this might be your reaction. And I'm a horrible speller myself, I could have told you that. No need for you to have gone through all that trouble. It's just one word I've seen consistently mispelled by people, not as a typo but because they genuinely don't know how to spell it. There's a difference.
And you're wrong about the quotes/apostrophe thing. Apostrophes should only be subsituted for quotes when inside a direct quote. At best I could have substituted italics.
Anyway, like I said, no need to get bent out of shape. Some people like to know when they are consistently misspelling a word. I won't worry about it in the future. |
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| Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/19/2004 13:07:09 |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 13:06:04 [Permalink]
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And you're wrong about the quotes/apostrophe thing. Apostrophes should only be subsituted for quotes when inside a direct quote. At best I could have substituted italics.
You're using quotes in place of apostrophes in conjunctions like can't, won't, shouldn't, ect.... can"t, won"t, shouldn"t, ect... is what you're typing out.
So why criticise anyone's spelling on an internet BB? Especially if you understood the point being made (the mispelling didn't alter context or meaning), and knew what the likely reaction would be? |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 13:10:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
So why criticise anyone's spelling on an internet BB? Especially if you understood the point being made (the mispelling didn't alter context or meaning), and knew what the likely reaction would be?
Because if I were consistently misspelling a word, I would want someone to do the same for me. It's simply constructive criticism, like letting someone know they have ketchup on their tie.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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| Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/19/2004 17:45:30 |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 13:50:14 [Permalink]
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Guys... Guys... Take it easy.
I have the perfect sollution:
www.iespell.com
A free plugin spell checker to Internet Explorer, very similar to the Word spell-checked, including link to online thesaurus. I use it all the time. It adds a little 'abc'-icon to the window. It's only a click away.
Edit: It does not handle grammatical errors though, which is a pity. But then, one can not rely on Word's version of it either. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/22/2004 : 19:37:21 [Permalink]
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Dude wrote:quote:
You're using quotes in place of apostrophes in conjunctions like can't, won't, shouldn't, ect.... can"t, won"t, shouldn"t, ect... is what you're typing out.
Actually, from what I can see in the two posts you've singled out, H. Humbert is doing no such thing. Perhaps you, Dude, have a font problem. The default fonts in use by IE 6 and the SFN show his posts as using quotes and apostrophes appropriately.
But otherwise, this is all ridiculous. As editor here, I'm laying down the law: "regulars" here (those who post "often" - purposefully ill-defined) - from this day forward - are forbidden from criticizing the spelling, punctuation or grammar of other regulars, except when such criticism adds to the discussion at hand, clarifies things for non-native English speakers, highlights a typo which makes a humorous change of intended meaning, or otherwise clears up a point of contention. Sub-threads like this are very much value-free for all involved, and often lead to hot-headedness and a gigantic waste of time.
I am - of course - exempted, since finding and fixing such problems is part of my damn job. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 00:56:23 [Permalink]
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I use iespell checker. I downloaded it (free) and it put an icon on my toolbar. Couldn't be easier. Seems like it's pretty standard to ignore misspellers on these boards. I think folks do get a better impression of your posts when the spelling is correct, but some people are not native speakers and at least one guy said he was posting from his phone so excuse his spelling. You just never know so it's best not to worry.
I will say, spell checkers teach spelling and if you are young, I definitely recommend using them. If you see a word misspelled too many times you really do learn the wrong spelling. I don't make many errors in spelling anymore. Spell check catches my typos, though. Those I make all the time. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 00:58:00 [Permalink]
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| Back to the topic...I knew about the pledge word change but I didn't know it was also changed on the money around that time. That's very interesting. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 11:03:40 [Permalink]
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Dave W:
As editor here, I'm laying down the law: "regulars" here (those who post "often" - purposefully ill-defined) - from this day forward - are forbidden from criticizing the spelling, punctuation or grammar of other regulars, except when such criticism adds to the discussion at hand, clarifies things for non-native English speakers, highlights a typo which makes a humorous change of intended meaning, or otherwise clears up a point of contention.
I like this rool... Does kilbonics count as non-native? |
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