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DVF
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 07/27/2002 : 12:37:40 [Permalink]
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Here in Biloxi and the surrounding area we have:
Come on over and bring the kids. - God
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"Consider Your Ways"(To the right of large headshot of jesus on the cross)
"Know what, if you were in a building, and it was on fire, I'd rescue you."
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2002 : 19:12:15 [Permalink]
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Obviously, god created us with free will and curiousity just so we could subordinate that will and curiousity to his commands, especially with such a clear and uncontridictory source as the bible. (see the Webster dictionary's definition of sarcasm if you're having trouble with the last sentence.
Anyway, feel free to respond with comments and questions, and if anyone knows who exactly is coughing up the money for these ill-conceived holy advertisements ('cause that's what they are), then please let me know.
For the easy solution to the religious billboards, spray paint would solve a lot of problems. Then again, the billboards can be a great source of humor. If there were no silly ideas being bandied around, we would all be bored. Religious boneheads are a rich source of amusement (of course, unless they get control over our country and try to force their pea-brained ideas on the rest of us).
These Bible thumpers are laughing under their breath all of the way to the bank.
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"Nothing is more damaging to a new truth than an old error." Goethe |
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servant
New Member
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Posted - 08/24/2002 : 11:34:39 [Permalink]
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There have been hundreds of books written on the subject of the evidences of the divine inspiration of the Bible, and these evidences are many and varied. Most people today, unfortunately, have not read any of these books. In fact, few have even read the Bible itself! Thus, many people tend to go along with the popular delusion that the Bible is full of mistakes and is no longer relevant to our modern world. Nevertheless the Bible writers claimed repeatedly that they were transmitting the very Word of God, infallible and authoritative in the highest degree. This is an amazing thing for any writer to say, and if the forty or so men who wrote the Scriptures were wrong in these claims, then they must have been lying, or insane, or both. But, on the other hand, if the greatest and most influential book of the ages, containing the most beautiful literature and the most perfect moral code ever devised, was written by deceiving fanatics, then what hope is there for ever finding meaning and purpose in this world? If one will seriously investigate these Biblical evidences, he will find that their claims of divine inspiration (stated over 3,000 times, in various ways) were amply justified. Fulfilled Prophecies The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away. For example, Daniel the prophet predicted in about 538 BC (Daniel 9:24-27 <../bible/dan9.html>) that Christ would come as Israel's promised Savior and Prince 483 years after the Persian emperor would give the Jews authority to rebuild Jerusalem, which was then in ruins. This was clearly and definitely fulfilled, hundreds of years later. There are extensive prophecies dealing with individual nations and cities and with the course of history in general, all of which have been literally fulfilled. More than 300 prophecies were fulfilled by Christ Himself at His first coming. Other prophecies deal with the spread of Christianity, as well as various false religions, and many other subjects. There is no other book, ancient or modern, like this. The vague, and usually erroneous, prophecies of people like Jeanne Dixon, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and others like them are not in the same category at all, and neither are other religious books such as the Koran, the Confucian Analects, and similar religious writings. Only the Bible manifests this remarkable prophetic evidence, and it does so on such a tremendous scale as to render completely absurd any explanation other than divine revelation. Unique Historical Accuracy The historical accuracy of the Scriptures is likewise in a class by itself, far superior to the written records of Egypt, Assyria, and other early nations. Archeological confirmations of the Biblical record have been almost innumerable in the last century. Dr. Nelson Glueck, probably the greatest modern authority on Israeli archeology, has said: "No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries." Scientific Accuracy Another striking evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many of the principles of modern science were recorded as facts of nature in the Bible long before scientist confirmed them experimentally. A sampling of these would include: Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22 <../bible/isa40.html>) Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9 <../bible/isa55.html>) Law of conservation of mass and energy (II Peter 3:7 <../bible/2pet3.html>) Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7 <../bible/eccl1.html>) Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22 <../bible/jer33.html>) Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27 <../bible/psa102.html>) Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11 <../bible/lev17.html>) Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6 <../bible/eccl1.html>) Gravitational field (Job 26:7 <../bible/job26.html>) and many others. These are not stated in the technical jargon of modern science, of course, but in terms of the basic world of man's everyday experience; nevertheless, they are completely in accord with the most modern scientific facts. It is significant also that no real mistake has ever been demonstrated in the Bible, in science, in history, or in any other subject. Many have been claimed, of course, but conservative Bible scholars have always been able to work out reasonable solutions to all such problems. Unique Structure The remarkable structure of the Bible should also be stressed. Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout. The individual writers, at the time of writing, had no idea that their message was eventually to be incorporated into such a Book, but each nevertheless fits perfectly into place and serves its own unique purpose as a component of the whole. Anyone who diligently studies the Bible will continually find remarkable structural and mathematical patterns woven throughout its fabric, with an intricacy and symmetry incapable of explanation by chance or collusion. The one consistent theme of the Bible, developing in grandeur from Genesis to Revelation, is God's great work in the creation and redemption of all things, through His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Bible's Unique Effect The Bible is unique also in terms of its effect on individual men and on the history of nations. It is the all-time best seller, appealing <../dictionary/appeal.html> both to hearts and minds, beloved by at least some in every race or nation or tribe to which it has gone, rich or poor, scholar or simple, king or commoner, men of literally every background and walk of life. No other book has ever held such universal appeal nor produced such lasting effects. One final evidence that the Bible is true is found in the testimony of those who have believed it. Multitudes of people, past and present, have found from personal experience that its promises are true, its counsel is sound, its commands and restrictions are wise, and its wonderful message of salvation meets every need for both time and eternity.
Could somone please counter all these claims.
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2002 : 13:12:44 [Permalink]
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"Nevertheless the Bible writers claimed repeatedly that they were transmitting the very Word of God, infallible and authoritative in the highest degree."
There's the problem. The potential for evil is present in absolute certainty.
The Bible is a nice collection of fact, fiction, poetry, and folklore. That's all.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2002 : 14:09:40 [Permalink]
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There have been hundreds of books written on the subject of the evidences of the divine inspiration of the Bible, and these evidences are many and varied. Most people today, unfortunately, have not read any of these books. In fact, few have even read the Bible itself! Thus, many people tend to go along with the popular delusion that the Bible is full of mistakes and is no longer relevant to our modern world. Nevertheless the Bible writers claimed repeatedly that they were transmitting the very Word of God, infallible and authoritative in the highest degree.
Yup, agree with Chippewa. Also, would like to add, that most of us here have read the bible at least once, if not twice.
May I make a suggestion though servant, use paragraphs to separate your diatribes...it'll make it more readable.
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Could somone please counter all these claims.
May I make a suggestion, that you go and read some of the other posts regarding jesus and the bible. These just might provide the answer to this request.
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
1888 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2002 : 08:35:31 [Permalink]
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... was written by deceiving fanatics, then what hope is there for ever finding meaning and purpose in this world?
Stop believing and start thinking. At that point you might realize how remarkable and precious this planet and our lives are.
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Could somone please counter all these claims.
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/feb02.html
I am not suggesting that you are a YEC, just that you have a filter on the information that you allow in.
And as Trish said read the post here on SFN
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2002 : 19:53:48 [Permalink]
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I recently received an e-mail from a friend who is desperately trying to save my "wayward" soul from the fires of hell because I don't believe in god anymore. She informed me that some orginazation (I don't know who) is putting up billboards with messages from god on them
Even worse:
Advertizing is EVERYWHERE......STOP IT, Please before someone burns the place down.
Yesterday we went to a shopping center. Would you believe there were ads on the those little bummper thingies that stop your car from going to far into the next space in the parking lot.
It's not enough we have to see trashy signs in the sky on top of buildings, on the sides of buses to distract us while we are driving but now they are on the ground if we look down to avoid seeing them at eye level.
Damn it. I don't care what they are advertizing, god or chewing gum I want it to STOP.
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*Carabao forever
*SAN FERNANDO VALLEY SECESSION - YES
*All lives are movie settings, it's what channel you're on that counts. Zatikia
*Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.
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Bradley
Skeptic Friend
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2002 : 11:05:14 [Permalink]
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How did we get to this point from discussing bonehead billboards?
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Most people today, unfortunately, have not read any of these books. In fact, few have even read the Bible itself!
The fact is that most people today do very little reading at all, and even speak proudly of the fact. One finds a greater percentage of persons familiar with the bible among SFN members than in the general population, and an even greater percentage than in the religious community.
Another member has suggested that you make use of paragraph breaks. Please regard this as a point of constructive criticism. As a further point, allow me to suggest the purchase and use of a good dictionary with a handbook of style.
"Too much doubt is better than too much credulity."
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2002 : 01:56:56 [Permalink]
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The fact is that most people today do very little reading at all, and even speak proudly of the fact
A quick comment about reading.
Some people can't read!
The few books I've ever read in my lifetime, I have enjoyed. I collect many books and think about someday reading at least some of them but it takes forever to get through one. Months if not years just to read one novel. It's frustrating. Thank goodness for books on tape. It's easier to see the words when someone speaks them rather then figure out what the letters are spelling.
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*Carabao forever
*SAN FERNANDO VALLEY SECESSION - YES
*All lives are movie settings, it's what channel you're on that counts. Zatikia
*Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.
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Bradley
Skeptic Friend
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2002 : 13:06:37 [Permalink]
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I collect many books and think about someday reading at least some of them but it takes forever to get through one.
My old dad used to say, "Practice makes perfect."
"Too much doubt is better than too much credulity."
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Xstream
New Member
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Posted - 09/15/2002 : 06:51:30 [Permalink]
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Well, I imagine that if god is as good and compassionate as religious folks make him out to be, then I hope he wouldn't consign someone to an eternity of suffering and pain because they had some very convincing rational reasons for not believing he exists. If I'm going to wind up in hell because I wouldn't take the existance of an all-powerful diety on FAITH, then so be it; I'd rather burn than give up my skeptical nature.
Gosh, you seem so mad at the world. Did someone drop you when you were younger? =) Honestly though, why do you hate God so much?
X
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
1668 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2002 : 11:06:51 [Permalink]
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Why X, you silly thing, there is no god.
There are only people telling stories about a god that they have no way of knowing are true or not. Since they claim the stories are true anyway that makes them liars. What we get angry about around here is being lied to.
I can't help but notice that you yourself aren't being all together honest when you claim that we hate god. Unless you are claiming that you are god, no gods have shown up around here to hate or not. Only Christian liars. And that's pretty hateful, don't you think, or were you dropped on your head as a baby?
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Hobbes
New Member
USA
34 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2002 : 11:23:17 [Permalink]
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X, I hateto tell you this, but I don't believe in God. And no, I wasn't dropped, but I was born a month early... maybe that has something to do with it...
And Newton said, "y'= lim h->0 of [f(x+h)-f(x)]/[(x+h)-x], thus, Calculus was born, and Newton saw that it was good. |
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 09/26/2002 : 15:10:26 [Permalink]
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I was born a month early... maybe that has something to do with it...
Hmm.. so was I!
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