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dimossi
Skeptic Friend
USA
141 Posts |
 Posted - 07/15/2002 : 07:14:24
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"Donahue" Premieres: Monday, July 15, 8 p.m. ET on MSNBC
Well what do you know....look at what the topic of the first Donahue show is:
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Force-fed religion?
Tonight, on the premiere of DONAHUE: Are public schools forcing God on your children? It's a clash of the titans when Donahue debates right-wing fire-brand Pat Buchanan.
You can e-mail questions into the show at this e-mail address:
question@msnbc.com
Also you can suggest new topics for Donahue's new show at this e-mail address:
donahue@msnbc.com
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." [Philip K. Dick, science-fiction author]
Edited by - dimossi on 07/15/2002 07:15:07
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dimossi
Skeptic Friend
USA
141 Posts |
 Posted - 07/15/2002 : 18:21:32 [Permalink]
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Well.... that was a disappointment.
I couldn't believe Donahue sat there and let Pat Buchanan babble on like he did. How could Donahue not say anything when Buchanan was saying that because of the Pledge ruling, kids would not be allowed to say the Pledge? Did either of these men have a clue what the ruling really meant? I was yelling at my TV, wishing they could both here me:
"The ruling would not permit kids from saying the pledge. It would only mean that the words, 'under God', could not be INSTRUCTED by school teachers, principals, and employees to the children to recite.
When the school led pledge is recited, kids could choose:
1. Say the school led pledge, that left out the 'under God'
2. Say the school led pledge and choose to say 'under God' (or under any other deity of their liking) at that particular point in the pledge
3. Or the child could decline to say it altogether.
Kids could also say the pledge any time, on their own, and at school, with 'under god' included, or not. Just like prayer. Kids can pray anytime they want at school, it just can't be school sponsered and led."
AAHHHHHHH! Donahue only made himself look intolerant and ignorant as Buchanan spewed his misinformation onto the credulous viewing audience.
What a shame. Can someone with some balls and intelligence please debate this nimrod, Buchanan.
Maybe I am being harsh on Donahue....I mean it was his first show. I guess I just had higher expectations.
I hope none of you wasted your time watching as I did.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." [Philip K. Dick, science-fiction author] |
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2002 : 19:59:39 [Permalink]
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I'm of like mind, Dimossi. I couldn't sit through the whole thing for fear of TV damage.
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2002 : 04:34:51 [Permalink]
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The transcripts should be posted today, and I think you'll find that Donahue said that it was the "under God" part that people objected to. Hence, it is true to say that teachers should not lead the pledge of allegiance because it is a religious statement.
True, one could change the pledge and make it conform to the Constitution, but the pledge, as it stands, is a religious statement.
I object to the indoctrination even without the religious overtones, but with the religious overtones it's ridiculous.
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn
Edited by - gorgo on 07/16/2002 04:38:37 |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2002 : 11:02:31 [Permalink]
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Donahue's opinion on the whole thing:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/779672.asp#BODY
' In one of the most important decisions in the history of the Supremes, U.S. Justice Robert Jackson wrote, famously ...
“If there is any fixed star in the Constitutional constellation it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox, in nationalism, religion, politics or any other matters of opinion”
Justice Jackson concluded for the majority by pronouncing that neither can any official “force by word or deed” a citizen to believe a certain way in such matters of opinion.'
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2002 : 13:19:49 [Permalink]
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DONAHUE: A statement I wrote about “under God” in the Pledge is posted on the MSNBC Web site. I got my first e-mail from, her name is Donna (ph), and it is not a positive one.
“I am shocked at your views about God. I was, until two minutes ago, thrilled to see you back on TV. I changed my mind the minute I read your views on removing God from schools! As for one parent, religious education teacher, and believer in the Bible, I want my children to be able to speak and share their faith at school. People like you are making it impossible. I will not be watching tonight as I planned, I am sorry to say. I guess another person I looked up to bites the dust. I still have God the father and Jesus and the son to always look up to. God bless.”
I think that I am one of the few Australians that has shown an interest in this issue. From the outside looking in, I have to say it doesn't bode too well for common sense.
Over here we are not as fervent about religion as people seem to be in America. Therefore. it is mildly amusing when you see your President stating that he will stack some of the highest public positions in your country with people from one denomination. It makes an absolute mockery of separating church and state. That he thinks that "the common sense judges know that our rights come from God" doesn't say much for his opinion of the legal system either.
I cannot really comment that much on this issue because I am not altogether familiar with the nuts and bolts of your constitution, but from the other side of the Pacific it has been really interesting to watch.
I would rather be the offspring of two apes than be a man and afraid to face the truth.
-- Thomas Huxley
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Physiofly
Skeptic Friend
USA
90 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2002 : 18:40:34 [Permalink]
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Over here we are not as fervent about religion as people seem to be in America.
You are truly fortunate. But then again, look at all the fun your missing!
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I cannot really comment that much on this issue because I am not altogether familiar with the nuts and bolts of your constitution
Neither, unfortunately, are most Americans.
"Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a
deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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