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the_ignored
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 Posted - 09/11/2002 : 16:55:57
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This is from an Answers in Genesis article:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0911memorial.asp where they say:
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The Bible does more than explain death and suffering; it also gives us hope. Answers in Genesis posted a commentary on the day of the terrorist attacks to explain this hope (see Terrorists and death). If we believe in the Bible¡¦s account of a perfect creation and a sinless Savior, then we can see September 11 as an encouraging reminder:
„h A reminder that God is sovereign¡XHe allows tragedies to awaken us.
That would, techically, in a court of law, make him an accomplice, wouln't it?
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„h A reminder of our own personal need for salvation.
„h A reminder of Christ¡¦s love in coming to die for us.
„h A reminder that the One who conquered death has ultimate power to save us.
So the story is not all grim. God is in control, and He can use suffering to accomplish good. Since September 11, stories of heroism and faith have trickled out. Many thousands of Christians have dedicated themselves to spreading the Gospel with renewed zeal, and many people have turned to God for salvation. We join many others who are praying that God will bring much good out of the tragic events of September 11, especially as Christians use this opportunity to spread the hope of the Gospel, grounded on the true history of God¡¦s Word.
If their god was real in the first place, then an opportunity would have been for him to miraculously prevent anyone from dying. Not only would that have saved a LOT of grief, but no "naturalist" would have been able to explain it away. Think of the number of people who could have converted! Instead, we get stuff like this, that God (even though he's sovereign, LET all this happen to "somehow" be for the greater good. The problem is, is that the (non)-actions of the "sovereign" god are, as far as Sept 11 goes, indistinguishable from that of a NON-EXISTANT god! These people just have to come up with rationalizations as to why this deity of theirs NEVER does any old-fashioned miracles like in the OT, and can still claim to be a "caring" god.
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In an interview with Ken Ham (Genesis at Ground Zero), a New York police officer named Ralph DiCosimo gave a moving testimony of how his knowledge of the Bible¡¦s history enabled him to succor searching souls. Immediately after the tragedy, Answers in Genesis was privileged to donate tens of thousands of the booklet Is there really a God? to churches at Ground Zero, which used these booklets to give solid answers for hurting people (see ¡¥Relief effort¡¦ to New York City).
Like other Christian ministries, we at Answers in Genesis have tried to do all we could to help. In the wake of this tragedy, for instance, we produced a new witnessing booklet Why is there death and suffering? Soon after the tragedy, Ken Ham and Dr Carl Wieland also wrote a unique book aimed at individuals who are going through private suffering. The book, called Walking Through Shadows: Finding Hope in a World of Pain, details these two men¡¦s personal tragedies¡Xa devastating car crash and a brother¡¦s death from an incurable brain disease¡Xshowing how God can give real hope in the midst of pain and suffering.
This shows how brainwashed these people are. They've had to swallow that rationalizations for themselves, instead of coming to the more reasonable (ie.- less morally twisted) way to explain things, they've decided to hold onto their faith, no matter what. As Richard Dawkins once said:
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The resilience of this form of hereditary delusion is as astonishing as its lack of realism. It seems that control of the plane which crashed near Pittsburgh was probably wrestled out of the hands of the terrorists by a group of brave passengers. The wife of one of these valiant and heroic men, after she took the telephone call in which he announced their intention, said that God had placed her husband on the plane as His instrument to prevent the plane crashing on the White House. I have the greatest sympathy for this poor woman in her tragic loss, but just think about it! As my (also understandably overwrought) American correspondent who sent me this piece of news said:
"Couldn't God have just given the hijackers a heart attack or something instead of killing all those nice people on the plane? I guess he didn't give a flying fuck about the Trade Center, didn't bother to come up with a plan for them." (I apologize for my friend's intemperate language but, in the circumstances, who can blame her?)
Is there no catastrophe terrible enough to shake the faith of people, on both sides, in God's goodness and power? No glimmering realization that he might not be there at all: that we just might be on our own, needing to cope with the real world like grown-ups?
from: http://www.ffrf.org/dawkins.html
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We have heard about many opportunities that believers anticipate to have during commemoration ceremonies, such as Ed Adkins, a chaplain in New York, who recently wrote to us, ¡¥I am one of the workers being recalled to Ground Zero for the anniversary ceremony on Wednesday. If opportunities arise, I am prepared with a message of hope. Please pray for me on Wednesday as I am expecting a long, emotional day.¡¦
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PhDreamer
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USA
925 Posts |
 Posted - 09/11/2002 : 19:40:58 [Permalink]
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I don't know what sickens me more: politicians using tragedy for political gain or Ken Ham and his buffoon squad using it as a conversion tool. Remarkable, really, the things that people convince themselves of specifically to avoid dealing with reality.
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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Kaneda Kuonji
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USA
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Posted - 09/12/2002 : 19:34:02 [Permalink]
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People like this are why I left ALL organized religion. How anyone could waste their time with this is beyond me. Perhaps it is because critical thinking is so hard to find now.
Rodney Dean, CI Order of the Knights of Jubal
Ivbalis.org
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the_ignored
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 10/05/2002 : 21:31:22 [Permalink]
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Gosh, wouldn't it be nice if just once someone could produce a nice, clear, unambiguous bible-encoded prophecy before the prophesied event happens?
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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