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@tomic
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 Posted - 12/04/2002 : 01:22:18
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Was I asleep the day they covered the President's constitutional authority to assassinate American citizens he doesn't like??? This is pretty scary stuff. Especially since the government doesn't seem to need much to convince it to move forward with extreme measures. The way the operate, I would have to prove I to them that did didn't do anything wrong and then they would kill me because I must be hiding something.
Does anyone else remember Bush promising that his policies towards Al Qaida didn't apply to American citizens and then changing his minds the second an American was in the picture? And now he's taken it up a notch or two right up to just killing anyone he would like to? I can't even say what if he abuses his power here because as far as I'm concerned he's already way over that line.
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Tokyodreamer
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 Posted - 12/04/2002 : 06:36:06 [Permalink]
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 08:20:50 [Permalink]
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Yes, do tell. I don't necessarily want to be killed by Bush.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 08:52:42 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by @tomic
Was I asleep the day they covered the President's constitutional authority to assassinate American citizens he doesn't like??? This is pretty scary stuff. Especially since the government doesn't seem to need much to convince it to move forward with extreme measures. The way the operate, I would have to prove I to them that did didn't do anything wrong and then they would kill me because I must be hiding something.
Does anyone else remember Bush promising that his policies towards Al Qaida didn't apply to American citizens and then changing his minds the second an American was in the picture? And now he's taken it up a notch or two right up to just killing anyone he would like to? I can't even say what if he abuses his power here because as far as I'm concerned he's already way over that line.
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Ok. The reference to Al Qaida policies not applying to Americans changed with Padilla. What happened to bring it up to killing at will? I'm a little pissed at the Homeland Security bill which gives the department the goal of tracking every financial transaction that happens in the US and a number of other Fourth Amendment breaches. |
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@tomic
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 11:34:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic
http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=osama_bin_laden
Sorry, fogot the link.
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OK. Now it makes sense. Bush is looking to expand the definition of enemy combatant to include proximity to another enemy combatant. Mostly to avoid a lawsuit by the family over the collateral damage killing of their child. Typical "blame the dead guy" stuff.
Enemy combatant originally was a US citizen fighting for a foreign power against the US. Deals with soldiers in battle during a war. |
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 11:34:58 [Permalink]
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| Wow. That sounds every bit like suspension of due process. Surely it can't be Constitutional to simply legislate due process out of use? |
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@tomic
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 12:37:31 [Permalink]
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While I could sort of see some justification for this I also can't help but notice an escalation of such actions. Someone at some point has to say "Whoa, you have crossed the line big fella" or, and I think the trend supports this, he will order executions in America. You don't have to go that far back in time for examples of such powers being abused. Can you say Pinochet, or a related execution in the states ordered by Kissinger that killed an American in DC. Bush seems to gleefully go for the most extreme use of power and I don't think he has the tools morally or intellectually.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 13:07:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic
While I could sort of see some justification for this I also can't help but notice an escalation of such actions. Someone at some point has to say "Whoa, you have crossed the line big fella" or, and I think the trend supports this, he will order executions in America. You don't have to go that far back in time for examples of such powers being abused. Can you say Pinochet, or a related execution in the states ordered by Kissinger that killed an American in DC. Bush seems to gleefully go for the most extreme use of power and I don't think he has the tools morally or intellectually.
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And lo, a ray of hope
http://www.msnbc.com/news/842022.asp?0dm=L2AJN
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