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PhDreamer
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USA
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 Posted - 12/19/2002 : 15:16:15
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 12/19/2002 : 15:37:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by PhDreamer
Saw it last night. Let me preface by saying I've read exactly zero Tolkien works. I know, I know, but kiss my ass, OK? I had a busy childhood.  
Anyway, I thought it was fantastic, with my only complaints being occasional kitschy dialogue. But the battle at Helm's Deep was breathtaking, easily worth the price alone. Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are heroic on a scale that rivals Superman, Star Wars, any of the epic hero tales of the last 30 years. It's nice to see filmmakers do heroism for the sake of heroism anymore, with all the anti-heroes and accidental heroes that seem to be ubiquitous these days. Which brings me to Gollum. Well, forget every Jar-Jar nighmare you ever had; this is the future of CGI character acting. The whole package, blending with the scenery, interacting with the live actors, voice synchronization, is nothing short of astonishing. The rumored Best Supporting Actor nomination for the guy who does the voice and the movements will not seem so outrageous after you see it.
I've heard from others that the book and the movie differ much more than the first film. But I've also heard many praise some of the changes. I can't speak knowledgeably about it, not having read the books (kiss my ass), so anyone who's seen the movie/read the books want to comment?
YOU HAVN'T READ THE BOOKS!!!!!!!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN 
Just kidding!
That's great to hear, I can't wait to I and the misses can go see it, planning on watching the first one again just to get pumped up for it wooo hooooo. |
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Terryt88
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 22:50:19 [Permalink]
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I totally agree PhD. (Yes, I am a poet, I knew that.  )
LOTR (the movies) has been consistantly good. The one thing I can't understand is how this can be. Time and time again Hollywood tries to turn a great book into a movie and they fail miserably (some exceptions.)
How does Peter Jackson do it?! I mean he took a great set of books and turned them into exceptional movies. Not to mention doing it without soiling the original work of Tolkien. Not to mention doing the three films back-to-back-to-back. Not to mention about a million other little things that so many movies couldn't even begin to deal with.
Even my good buddy who is a person that grew up loving the books and could probably quote some scenes like they are scripture is impressed with his continuty to Tolkien's work. He suggested that the reason the movies were done so well was that Jackson is such a fan fo the books and he was the perfect pick as director. I think this is a good bet.
I guess I could go on and on about how many aspects I admire about the film and its creation. I just don't understand how it can be done so well when so many other movies fail. Anyone else have any thoughts? |
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 08:44:38 [Permalink]
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Not to mention doing the three films back-to-back-to-back.
I think this has worked to their advantage more than anything. It allows them to keep the same cast and to keep everyone focused on their roles. It makes the story more seamless and true to its original intentions. Too bad the 4 gospels were not written back to back to back to back, then they would have the same benefit [:>] |
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Terryt88
Skeptic Friend
USA
120 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2002 : 09:00:56 [Permalink]
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Too bad the 4 gospels were not written back to back to back to back, then they would have the same benefit [:>]
Ahh, touche'.
I think this has worked to their advantage more than anything. It allows them to keep the same cast and to keep everyone focused on their roles.
I think your right on this account as well. One thing that is funny about that though is that in the interviews Jackson gave about doing the film he said (I am quoting from memory) making the films was the best thing he had ever done in his life...... and he would never try to do anything like it again. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 09:16:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Terryt88
I totally agree PhD. (Yes, I am a poet, I knew that. )
LOTR (the movies) has been consistantly good. The one thing I can't understand is how this can be. Time and time again Hollywood tries to turn a great book into a movie and they fail miserably (some exceptions.)
How does Peter Jackson do it?! I mean he took a great set of books and turned them into exceptional movies. Not to mention doing it without soiling the original work of Tolkien. Not to mention doing the three films back-to-back-to-back. Not to mention about a million other little things that so many movies couldn't even begin to deal with.
Even my good buddy who is a person that grew up loving the books and could probably quote some scenes like they are scripture is impressed with his continuty to Tolkien's work. He suggested that the reason the movies were done so well was that Jackson is such a fan fo the books and he was the perfect pick as director. I think this is a good bet.
I guess I could go on and on about how many aspects I admire about the film and its creation. I just don't understand how it can be done so well when so many other movies fail. Anyone else have any thoughts?
I knew this series was going to be good when I heard that they retained one of the original illustrators for LOTR. He also filmed all three films at once. He additionally (gasp) took the time to do the film properly. Nowadays, films are rushed from filming to theaters in a scant 8-12 months. Jackson spent 18 months on filming alone. In addition, he built sets and then let them age for 6 months so they would look more natural. Jackson's three years of work shone brightly in LOTR:FOTR. I can't wait to be able to see LOTR:TT.
Jackson went back to an old standby, quality, not quantity.
Look out Potter, LOTR is coming to kick your pasty ass.
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2002 : 05:46:13 [Permalink]
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I haven't read the Tolkien books since the early seventies, if my memory hasn't gone south again. And that, I think made the first movie all the more interesting. Memories came flooding back.
We planned on seeing the new movie last night, but the wife came down with one of those evil migraines. We'll be there tonight. I can't wait. |
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Legallee Insane
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 12/22/2002 : 11:40:22 [Permalink]
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| I made the unfortunate mistake of seeing the first movie before I read the first book. Actually I saw it just after I had finished reading "The Hobbit" and now I am in the process of reading through all of Tolkien's works related the Lord of the Rings story. |
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