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Randy
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 Posted - 07/04/2001 : 12:21:16
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FoxNews.com
Sue 'em into oblivion!!!
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Lisa
SFN Regular
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 Posted - 07/04/2001 : 12:30:54 [Permalink]
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This is very sick. This idiot thinks that "Jesus and his principles" gives him the right to harass women and illegally access private medical records? She should go after more than $50,000.
Has it occured to this moron that not everyone believes like he does? He wants to change things? It's called a ballot box.
Lisa
Chaos...Confusion...Destruction...My Work Here Is Done |
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 12:42:53 [Permalink]
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The entire thing is horrible but this part really stood out:
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The lawsuit filed Monday in Madison County Circuit Court accuses Daniel Michael and his wife, Angela Michael, of screaming at the woman and attempting to grab her sheet to uncover her bleeding so that a picture could be taken.
There should have been a cop handy to baton this person in the face.
@tomic
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Trish
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 14:49:19 [Permalink]
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I agree with you @tomic about that picture taking. But that they would put anyones private information on the web. The part that gets me is they put info on her kid on the website. That's scary, don't these people realize that they've just endangered this womans life. Not just her life the her families.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 19:11:06 [Permalink]
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I agree, none of it is good, but they were rushing this woman into the hospital. I think there could be an argument made that what that person was doing might have endangered her.
@tomic
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2001 : 23:05:58 [Permalink]
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Yep, I wonder if those fundie nematodes ever considered all the other claptrap in the bybull, such as this classic....
"Happiness is smashing your little children against rocks". Ps.137:9
Or any of these family values, from the SAB site.
These so-called scriptures are the most repugnant, utterly confused collection of vulgar religious fairy tales I have ever come across!
And just how many more hundreds of pages are there?
It is just amazing to me how believers of this bible tripe can cast such a blind eye to the avalanche of these and other "gawd inspired" social obsenities.
(must be the lack of skepticism!)
...sorry, can't put in a happy face here, too pissed off about this.
 - there, that's better.
Today's borrowed thought...
"And the sins of the fathers shall be visited upon the heads of the children, even unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." --Exodus 20:5
"Well, then, I hate Thee, unrighteous picture;/Wicked image, I hate
Thee;/So, strike with Thy vengeance/The heads of those little men/
Who come blindly./It will be a brave thing." --Stephen Crane
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 03:33:13 [Permalink]
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@tomic they did say that she was being taken to the hospital for a cut in the uterine wall. They never mention how serious the cut was. But this is one of the many complications to any type of surgery. This has been known to happen during a DNC - since the abortion process is very similar to the DNC. Which involves scraping tissue from the uterine wall. It is one of those things that can happen. I doubt that it was due to carelessness or lack of knowledge on the part of the doctor.
Randy, Or cutting the babies from the womb with swords. (OK, I can't find the verse but I think you know which one I'm talking about.)
OT in my babble 1073 pages, NT 261 pages. Yikes! That's a lot of garbage. Someone needs to take out the trash!
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Lisa
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 12:26:39 [Permalink]
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I agree, none of it is good, but they were rushing this woman into the hospital. I think there could be an argument made that what that person was doing might have endangered her.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
Someone educate me here. Isn't it against the law to interfere with an ambulance/EMT crew? And medical information is private, by law. Any first year law student could argue that harassing her daughter is child endangerment. Aside from this lady's lawsuit, (which I hope she wins, bigtime) it seems to me these folks should have been slapped into handcuffs. I know they feel that their biblical law supercedes the law of the land, but I'm sure a judge could set them straight.
Lisa
Chaos...Confusion...Destruction...My Work Here Is Done |
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Garrette
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 12:47:22 [Permalink]
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Isn't it against the law to interfere with an ambulance/EMT crew?
In all the states I've worked, yes. I assume it is in others, also. But that doesn't seem to apply here; from the article, it appears it was a patient transfer, probably by one of the many commercial contractors that do such things (nursing homes use them a lot to move residents to hospital for non-emergent care).
But such a law is not necessary for actionable offense here. The article gives little detail, but it seems that there is a case for battery.
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And medical information is private, by law.
Unfortunately, this is only partly true. HIPAA (the Healthcare Information Portability and Accountability Act) recently became enforceable, and hospitals are still coming to terms with its stringent requirements (in some cases, they are too extreme), but there are still some holes in it. Prior to a year or two ago, medical information was ridiculously easy to obtain and sent out almost indiscriminately by hospitals and healthcare practicioners to various agencies and offices.
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Any first year law student could argue that harassing her daughter is child endangerment
More likely Terroristic Threatening which is a misdemeanor in most states, and one which courts are slow to move on.
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it seems to me these folks should have been slapped into handcuffs. I know they feel that their biblical law supercedes the law of the land, but I'm sure a judge could set them straight.
One hopes, myself included. Though to be honest, I'm anti-abortion, yet since I restrict my actions to political debate on the topic (okay, okay, some morality creeps in), perhaps you won't think too badly of me.
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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 14:10:14 [Permalink]
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And medical information is private, by law.
Unfortunately, this is only partly true. HIPAA (the Healthcare Information Portability and Accountability Act) recently became enforceable, and hospitals are still coming to terms with its stringent requirements (in some cases, they are too extreme), but there are still some holes in it. Prior to a year or two ago, medical information was ridiculously easy to obtain and sent out almost indiscriminately by hospitals and healthcare practicioners to various agencies and offices.
Doesn't the Privacy Act of 1976 cover this? I've been in health care for 12 years and everywhere I worked stressed the importance of complying with the law.
Privacy Act of 1976 punishments
1st offence: 5 years and $250,000 fine
2nd offence: 10 years and $500,000 fine
3+ offence : 40 years and $1,000,000 fine
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Garrette
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 14:15:23 [Permalink]
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Doesn't the Privacy Act of 1976 cover this? I've been in health care for 12 years and everywhere I worked stressed the importance of complying with the law.
In theory. But it's full of immense loopholes. In practice before HIPAA, the individual who frequently encountered the most difficulties getting access to medical records was the patient. They were released to clinics, labs, physicians, insurance companies, marketing companies, organizations conducting studies, etc. etc.
I'm not an expert expert expert on this, but have had to deal with it for about six years from the aspect of a security/safety specialist and investigator.
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Snake
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Posted - 07/06/2001 : 14:47:38 [Permalink]
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Sue 'em into oblivion!!!
There really wasn't much information in the news article to make a judgment. Sounds a bit like the usual 'hysterical woman syndrome' where people jump to conclusions before knowing the facts. I think it's a waste of time to comment on 'what if's' at this point.
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
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Trish
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Posted - 07/07/2001 : 15:37:58 [Permalink]
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Sounds a bit like the usual 'hysterical woman syndrome' where people jump to conclusions before knowing the facts.
Um, someone puts personal medical files, her personal home information and her families information on a website aimed against abortion and she just had one. They've gone too far and endangered the woman's personal safety and that of her family. There is no *hysterical* woman here - just one angry pissed off woman. I don't blame her!
Don't let personal bias color the issue.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/07/2001 : 20:17:25 [Permalink]
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Hysterical? Yeah, hysterically pissed off, you betcha! I tried to put myself in that ladies shoes. Being rushed to the hospital, having yo-yos interfer with the ambulance crew, all while bleeding. You're damn right I'd be livid!
Think about it, if anyone were to treat these idiots in any way comparable, they'd be whining and crying about their rights in a nanosecond. But because they are true believers, they think that gives them the right to pass judgement on others. I hope she sues 'em dry.
Lisa
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Snake
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Posted - 07/07/2001 : 22:37:41 [Permalink]
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Um, someone puts personal medical files, her personal home information and her families information on a website aimed against abortion and she just had one. They've gone too far and endangered the woman's personal safety and that of her family
How do we know they WERE on the website? IF they were, really, how many people could have seen them? Not many I suspect. AND how is that endangering the safety of her and her family?
I still say some of the people here and who read that article are yelling to sue before they know all the facts.
Could that be why law suits ARE out of control? I wonder!
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
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Posted - 07/08/2001 : 03:16:02 [Permalink]
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People have been known to sniper doctors.
Is it really so hard to see how it could affect her safety?
Radioactive GM Crops.
Slightly above background.
Safe to eat.
But no activist would dare rip it out.
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