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PhDreamer
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 Posted - 03/13/2003 : 08:36:35 [Permalink]
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| Very classy, CO. It doesn't get much more ad hominem than that in any language. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 10:47:48 [Permalink]
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Computer Org wrote:quote:
The link I provided above goes to the actual question and the resulting thread on the subject.
Well, according to the first reply to that post,quote:
As to why we know the compact dimensions are space-like rather than time-like, phobos has previously explained that that distinction depends on whether the sign of the metric for that dimension is positive or negative -- there are only two possibilities here -- and the metrics are generally known to have space-like signs for all the dimensions except time.
In other words, the dimensions are not spacial, but "space-like." The thread seems to devolve into another subject quite quickly after that.
Back to you:quote:
Take it (--the Physics--) or leave it (--in blissful ignorance).
Seems like you're assuming you understand the physics well enough to conclude that my understanding of it is "ignorant." I think your posts here show quite the opposite, however, in that you appear to be mistaking the map for the terrain. Just because protons, neutrons, and electrons can be modelled as little-bitty spheres doesn't mean that they are little-bitty spheres.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 10:56:50 [Permalink]
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Ah, here's a lecture which says what PhDreamer has been saying:quote:
Why would anyone consider a theory with extra dimensions? (When we tell "extra dimensions" it means that we consider a theory in space-time with dimension more then usual 4, and all these extra dimensions are considered be spatial). Because this turns out to provide a convenient mathematical framework for unifying gravity with electromagnetism and the other known forces.
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 03/14/2003 : 13:26:42 [Permalink]
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| Good find, Dave. It's nice to have backup when my authority doesn't extend far enough. |
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Computer Org
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Posted - 11/13/2003 : 10:49:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by the mystical Computer Org
I think that many times on this board, the words "religious" and "spiritual" are mixed up. The religious guys love this; the rest of us just follow along. I see "spiritual" measured as a kind of height (as in 5'10"). You can put on big lift shoes but your height is still 5'10". I think that many religous people put on really "big" spiritual lift-shoes.
You'd HOPE that religious guys would be very good in spirituality but that all-too-often isn't the case. (There's the money; there's the power; there's the prestige.)
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A "Guinee Pig" was originally called a "Cavie" for living in Andes caves. I used to have lots of black snakes---and a nice bunch they were: very polite---but the neighbors didn't like snakes and they are now all gone.
Mmmmm, guinea pig! My 4' Puff Adder (Bitis arietans) is two weeks into processing a fat one, even as I write. Sorry about your Blackies. They're neat snakes. Were they Elaphe obsoleta? I do snake removals for those every summer. Very common around here.
I think I see where you're coming from, now. Took me long enough.
Still, I feel that there is no evidence for what I consider the supernatural. Perhaps, one day I'll be proven wrong, and I can look up Slater and we'll cry in our beers. But 'till then....
Actually, I'd like to be proven wrong. I enjoy fantasies a great deal. How wonderful if some of them were real!
 
I'm feeling very guilty, filthy. Although I don't think that I'm a "Christian" (---nor give a shit since "Christian" means the "Christ" of Judaism and I'm not of that religion nor race---), I do try hard to following the Teachings of Jesus. Somehow when I went home that day, my poor little Cavie, Mufkin, knew about your puff-adder comment and that I liked the black-snakes that used to live in the yard. She was never the same afterward.
She died three or four months ago but I still seem to have held a grudge about your feeding a Cavie to a snake. (Can't you use big, fat rats? Rodents. Cavies carry their young until they are almost full-grown.) Anyway Jesus wouldn't be happy with my crummy attitude and so I like to pubicly apologize and bury the hatchet -- in your snake-cave. NO, No. I was just kidding about the snake-cave.  I really am sorry; I enjoy your posts. |
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Computer Org
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Posted - 11/13/2003 : 11:08:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Ah, here's a lecture which says what PhDreamer has been saying:quote:
Why would anyone consider a theory with extra dimensions? (When we tell "extra dimensions" it means that we consider a theory in space-time with dimension more then usual 4, and all these extra dimensions are considered be spatial). Because this turns out to provide a convenient mathematical framework for unifying gravity with electromagnetism and the other known forces.
(emphasis mine)
Ah, here's a NOVA interview where you'll find the words:quote:
. . . I would conclude that extra dimensions really exist. They're part of nature.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/13/2003 : 11:26:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Boron10
From what I gathered from my (limited) readings about string theory, the extra dimentions are supposed to be spacial. Where are they, you may ask? Here's the catch: they're curled up on themselves, and each one is actually near the Planck length in diameter, so that's why we can't yet see it.
When I read this, my bullshit meter went off the scale. 
*Edited to add: I don't think string theory is a valid scientific theory, it needs much more work. What, though, does this have to do with Spirit v Flesh?*
Posit, just for argument's sake, your "Mind" with your brain acting as the 'interface' (thus answering the earlier question about drugs). Also posit yourself a "Spirit". Common sense would tell you that you wouldn't want your Mind or Spirit to be visible to others (--and thus available to weapons, mugging, etc.).
The near-PlanckLength size makes good common sense.
BTW, I am not a proponent of StringTheory which is why I haven't invested a lot of time in learning it. It is interesting, however, and answers a lot of questions that the physicists haven't even thought about. |
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Computer Org
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 14:58:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Boron10
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I don't think string theory is a valid scientific theory, it needs much more work. What, though, does this have to do with Spirit v Flesh?
Well. Well. Ah. Well. Ah. You DO ask some toughies, don't you.
I think that I gave my views earlier but why don't I just recap?
My suspicion is that the "firstest" of the 3-dimensional globs is three of the curled-up 6-dimensions posited by string theory. I think that that 3d space is the "spiritual space", inhabited by "souls" (etc.) and where the basic "measure" is not distance but "goodness". (STOP laughing so hard, please. You'll give yourself a hernia. Try to restrain yourself to mere chuckling.  )
My suspicion is that for whatever reason, the entities (--Can't say "beings" since that implies time and there's no reason whatsoever to think that "souls" are constrained by time as our bodies are.--) in the 3d "spiritual space" generated a new 3d space (the other 3 of the 6 curled up dimensions) in which the entities (--At this juncture one might use the word time: that this 3d space is actually a "4d space" in the same way that we, our bodies, are.--) excercised intellect: Thought. I think that the 3d spiritual entities exercised a kind of weak-control over the new intellectual entities/beings in the new 3d space; that the very existence of this or that intellectual entity depended on its 'symbiotic' spirit.
Now I have described 6 dimensions, plus a possibility of time. The 6 are the 6 curled up dimensions of string theory. Once again, for reasons not even to be guessed at, one or the other or even both of these two 3d spaces decided they needed matter, motion, bodies, etc. and produced (--Big Bang?--) the Universe we see around us.
(Once again, I think that a kind of 'control' is excercised over our 4d physical bodies from the intellectual space as well as from the spiritual space. When the intellect departs, we go ga-ga. When the spirit departs we really-and-truly die; decompose; disintegrate: "From ashes to ashes; from compost to compost.")
(I think -- and possibly only me -- that the three 3d-spaces [spiritual-intellectual-physical] are strictly hierarchical: The NAZIs were smart but the allies and the Germans, etc. who opposed the NAZIs were good-hearted. Goodness prevails over intellect. Both prevail over over matter: My spirit says "That rock is irrelevant." and by intellect says "Pick up sledge and bash rock into pieces." I do and the rock is dust.)
So your question is answered: String theory gives the underlying theory of spirit, mind (--as distinct from brain--) and flesh body (--since I suspect that there is much more than is "sentient" than just "flesh"). |
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 08:53:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Boron10
From what I gathered from my (limited) readings about string theory, the extra dimentions are supposed to be spacial. Where are they, you may ask? Here's the catch: they're curled up on themselves, and each one is actually near the Planck length in diameter, so that's why we can't yet see it.
When I read this, my bullshit meter went off the scale.
*Edited to add: I don't think string theory is a valid scientific theory, it needs much more work. What, though, does this have to do with Spirit v Flesh?*
I probably know less than you, Boron10; in fact, being mostly a mathematical kind of person, I know next to nothing about Physics.
There is a concept in Math. called "continuity" -- which pretty well means just what it sounds like. In physical space, our 3d space, the "Plank length" rules, so there is no such thing as "continuity" in physical space. Similarly for time in the temporal dimension.
(There is, by the way, a small, but very substantial, group of mathematicians who decry "continuity" and do all their Math. on latices -- like a fine mesh screen. I would be one had I not fallen in love with [General] Topology and Probability Theory but I did and, so, am not. I know next-to-nothing about latice theories.)
In the 6 "curled up" dimensions, "Plank length" would seem to have no meaning. Which raises the interesting question: If the "curled up" dimensions are spacial in nature (--as contrasted, I suppose, to the one-direction-of-motion temporal dimension, "time"--), might they be actually and truly "continuous" -- in the sense that Mathmatical Analysts use the term? Hmmmmm.  |
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Computer Org
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 11:39:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by PhDreamer
Very classy, CO. It doesn't get much more ad hominem than that in any language.
Y, thank you PhD. "Classy" is the nicest compliment I've had in some time. |
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Jarrid
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 14:12:09 [Permalink]
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| Wow...computerorg had a lot to say;) took me a while to read through all of that. interesting insights:) |
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Computer Org
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Posted - 02/22/2004 : 11:31:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Jarrid
Wow...computerorg had a lot to say;) took me a while to read through all of that. interesting insights:)
Ancient Chinese/Taoist proverb say:
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Man with closed mouth has very busy fingers.
Besides, my fortune cookie from today's vegie-heavy lunch says:
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If you continually give, you will continually have.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 02/23/2004 : 04:16:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Computer Org
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Originally posted by Jarrid
Wow...computerorg had a lot to say;) took me a while to read through all of that. interesting insights:)
Ancient Chinese/Taoist proverb say:
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Man with closed mouth has very busy fingers.
Besides, my fortune cookie from today's vegie-heavy lunch says:
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If you continually give, you will continually have.
Ha!
I think there's a word missing in that fortune cookie...
Shouldn't it be "...you will continually have less. |
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Computer Org
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Posted - 03/07/2004 : 12:04:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Computer Org
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Originally posted by Jarrid
Wow...computerorg had a lot to say;) took me a while to read through all of that. interesting insights:)
Ancient Chinese/Taoist proverb say:
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Man with closed mouth has very busy fingers.
Besides, my fortune cookie from today's vegie-heavy lunch says:
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If you continually give, you will continually have.
Ha!
I think there's a word missing in that fortune cookie...
Shouldn't it be "...you will continually have less.
Different ethnicities have different underlying philosophies. This particular one is wide-spread. "It is blessed to give." There is a Sufi teaching-tale which also has the same message.
I suppose, though, that your comment was meant in a joking manner. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 10:41:56 [Permalink]
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Man is only one entity - body. Mind is an illusion, spirit merely a hope. If you physically alter a portion of your brain, assuming it doesn't kill you, you run a good chance of altering your mind as well. That's because they are one in the same.
BTW - this is my first ever post in this forum.  |
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