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darwin alogos
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 Posted - 02/03/2003 : 20:56:42 [Permalink]
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WF:quote:
So, DA, is it your contention that Amos is refering to ancient Israel
whereas Jeremiah is refering to the modern state of Israel? I don't
see how that is textually justified.
Read very carefully again ,at the time Amos wrote the "Nation" was divided the "Kingdom of Israel" to the north the "Kingdom of Judha" to the south.The "kingdom of Israel" was taken captive and never rose again, not so with Judha quote:
Amos prophesied about 760 BC during the reigns of King
Uzziah of Judah, and Jeroboam II of Israel. He left Judah and
went to Israel.
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walt fristoe
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Posted - 02/04/2003 : 10:48:18 [Permalink]
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| That was really just a simple "yes" or "no" question, DA. Could I perhaps get a simple "yes" or "no" answer? |
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 02/04/2003 : 11:06:32 [Permalink]
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wf: quote:
So, DA, is it your contention that Amos is refering to ancient Israel[DA: THE NORTHERN 10TRIBES YES!]
whereas Jeremiah is refering to the modern state of Israel? I don't
see how that is textually justified.
DA:YES JEREMIAH IS REFERING TO A TIME WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER 2 NATIONS BUT ARE UNITED ,Jer.30:1-31:34 |
To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 02/05/2003 : 00:11:40 [Permalink]
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This view sums it up rather nicely: quote:
http://www.woopy.woo.org/math/faithmat.htm
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To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 19:46:21 [Permalink]
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[quote]Originally posted by PhDreamer
Logically incompatible. Any compatibilists want to challenge? DA?
You have been challenged to clarify you view, without reply. I will consider it a forfeit.
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 02:05:54 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Doomar
You have been challenged to clarify you view, without reply. I will consider it a forfeit.
Ye gods. Is this what you're reduced to? Utterly ignoring six pages of a thread in which you yourself queried me on issues related to the topic? I am throughly bewildered. Assuming you are in fact sane, the only conceivable purpose for this post is to make me angry. Is there any reason you wish to do that?
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 02/25/2003 : 00:08:16 [Permalink]
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DA to walt;you still need clarification? quote:
wf:
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So, DA, is it your contention that Amos is refering to ancient Israel[DA: THE NORTHERN 10TRIBES YES!]
whereas Jeremiah is refering to the modern state of Israel? I don't
see how that is textually justified.
DA:YES JEREMIAH IS REFERING TO A TIME WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER 2 NATIONS BUT ARE UNITED
,Jer.30:1-31:34
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To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
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walt fristoe
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Posted - 02/25/2003 : 17:21:51 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin alogos
DA to walt;you still need clarification? quote:
wf:
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So, DA, is it your contention that Amos is refering to ancient Israel[DA: THE NORTHERN 10TRIBES YES!]
whereas Jeremiah is refering to the modern state of Israel? I don't
see how that is textually justified.
DA:YES JEREMIAH IS REFERING TO A TIME WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER 2 NATIONS BUT ARE UNITED
,Jer.30:1-31:34
Yes, I could use a little clarification. I still don't see how it is refering to modern Israel. As I said before, I don't see how that is textually justified. What is it-specifically-that leads you to think so? |
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 02/25/2003 : 19:16:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
6 For thus saith the LORD: sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout at the head of the nations; announce ye, praise ye, and say: 'O LORD, save Thy people, The
remnant of Israel.' 7 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the uttermost parts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the
woman with child and her that travaileth with child together; a great company shall they return hither. 8 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead
them; I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a straight way wherein they shall not stumble; for I am become a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My first-born.
{S} 9 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say: 'He that scattered Israel doth gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth
his flock.' 10 For the LORD hath ransomed Jacob, and He redeemeth him from the hand of him that is stronger than he. 11 And they shall come and sing in the height
of Zion, and shall flow unto the goodness of the LORD, to the corn, and to the wine, and to the oil, and to the young of the flock and of the herd; and their soul shall be
as a watered garden, and they shall not pine any more at all. 12 Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, and the young men and the old together; for I will turn their
mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow. ... that I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; 31 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the
hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. 32 But this is the covenant that I
will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and
they shall be My people; 33 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know the LORD'; for they shall all know Me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. {S} {P}
Bible - Jeremiah - All
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Walt this prophecy was future in Jeremiahs time we are begining to see fulfilled now as the Jews have returned to the land not as 2 nations as they were in Amos' day but as one. |
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