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 gezzam 
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 Posted - 01/30/2003 :  11:26:28   [Permalink]
  
  
                 
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 quote: There was no solid proof before 9/11 either....oops too late
  
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 riptor 
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 Posted - 01/31/2003 :  08:42:24   [Permalink]
  
  
                 
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 quote: Since 9/11 this is a new world, and we need new solutions to deal with it. Nobody wants war, sometimes it becomes necessary.
   I just love this one. I mean, what has changed after 9/11? Okay, there has been a war (well, more like a blitzkrieg) in some far-far-far-away country and there are two skyscrapers less in NYC.
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 Posted - 01/31/2003 :  08:48:23   [Permalink]
  
                 
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 Fireballn 
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 Posted - 01/31/2003 :  19:09:19   [Permalink]
  
                 
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 America would be crazy if they invade Iraq and sane if they don't, but if America was sane, they have to attack. If America attacks they must be crazy and don't have to, but if America doesn't want to, America is sane and has to. 
 
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 Posted - 01/31/2003 :  19:34:09   [Permalink]
  
  
                 
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 That's not much of a case there Fireballn without anything to back those statemetns up. And if you do provide anything it should be valid. That whole business about America being at threat from any nukes Iraq might make are ridiculous if you consider how impossible it would be for Iraq to deliver such a weapon. They are very, very large and since we track everything leaving Iraq you'd realize how tough it would be. They have no missles or planes that could reach us. No, a nuke would only serve as a defensive weapon for Iraq. The same goes for all their other weapons. Claims that Iraq could hit the USA with anything are pathetic to all but the misinformed.
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 Fireballn 
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 Posted - 01/31/2003 :  23:34:11   [Permalink]
  
                 
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 No, that is not much of a case.  It is a satirical look at war from Joseph Heller's Catch 22, slightly modified.  The central moral conflict of the book lies in the relationship between the system and its rules and the humanity which pays the price for the defences of those in charge and the system they created and maintain at the expense of human decency. This is the point of the book's title. Whenever you try to behave sensibly and look after yourself in a crazy world, there's a catch, a catch which has entered the language as a result of Heller's book. Catch-22 takes many forms, but the central one is that you don't have to fly any more missions if you're crazy, but you have to ask first, and anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't crazy.
  Logical thought with an illogical dictator does not make sense... Heller would have loved this war. | 
 
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 Fireballn 
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 Posted - 02/01/2003 :  00:01:08   [Permalink]
  
                 
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|  Iraq wouldn't nuke the states, but they have the money to find some country that needs money(north korea) and easily hire some of Osama's bitches to carry it out.  It would be nothing to Saddam to spend 100 million for one warhead.  Sorry for the speculation, but when it is nukes we are talking about precaution should be taken before detonation.  If it happens and we are still alive I will call you misinformed. | 
 
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 gezzam 
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 Posted - 02/01/2003 :  14:17:41   [Permalink]
  
  
                 
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 From  http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14412
 
 quote: In fact, unless Hussein, reminiscent of a Super Bowl soda ad starring Ozzy Osborne's family, suddenly unzips his skin to reveal he is actually Bin Laden, we are likely to march to war with the support of an "international coalition" that amounts to a fig leaf named Tony Blair and a motley collection of nations one can buy on eBay.
 
 
  
  Wooo Hooo, we have grown from "that big island somewhere south of the equator" to one of a "motley collection of nations one can buy on eBay."
  Who says pissing in Dubya's pocket is bad for Australia...... | 
 
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