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darwin alogos
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 Posted - 01/30/2003 : 00:31:52
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Let us take a look the arguments pro and con .
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To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
Edited by - darwin alogos on 01/30/2003 00:32:41
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Slater
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 Posted - 01/30/2003 : 03:42:17 [Permalink]
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It's easy enough to recognize fictional characters in fantasies. There are certain sets of attributes and restrictions that only these fantasy characters posses. Take for instance god and Harry Potter. They both live in imaginary lands that, of course, people cannot visit. Harry lives at a wizards school that no human has ever seen and god lives in the "spirit realm" on the other side of the sky with mansions and streets of gold. Both have superpowers. They can both create things by magic, and both can fly.
No one in reality can do these things.
Then they both share the same set of limitations that only the fictional suffer from. They both only exist in a series of books. Neither can be seen or heard or felt or touched or smelt. There is no evidence of Harry's or god's existence, despite the fact that both have adoring fans. No one in reality has such limitations.
If it walks like a fictional duck, and it quacks like a fictional duck...
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Starman
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Snake
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 18:49:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin alogos
Let us take a look the arguments pro and con .
Exits, where? One must ask.
He, or should I say it, exits in the minds of those who think there is one.
It's like asking does love exist. I don't belive there is such a thing as love but there are so many ways different people think of it, how do you describe what it is for you? |
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@tomic
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Posted - 01/30/2003 : 19:08:54 [Permalink]
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DA, for you to bring up logic in such an instance takes real balls. You have demonstrated that you have no idea how logic works and here you have just claimed the logical high ground without actually making any argument which is your MO. Not terribly impressive me laddo.
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 08:19:37 [Permalink]
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Atomic: quote:
DA, for you to bring up logic in such an instance takes real balls. You have demonstrated that you have no idea how logic works and here you have just claimed the logical high ground without actually making any argument
Well there you go again Atomic, I really don't think you've given much thought as to the source of LOGIC have you??? Or do you now believe there is a REASON for reason, or is rational thought just a lucky happenstance of irrational impersonal forces? Do me a favor and at least think about it before you spout off the party line. (edited for word change see p.2) |
To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
| Edited by - darwin alogos on 02/01/2003 00:30:21 |
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Slater
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 10:02:23 [Permalink]
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| Sure there is a reason for reason. It's called natural selection. |
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 13:31:47 [Permalink]
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Irrational \Ir*ra"tion*al\, a. [L. irrationalis: cf. F.
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Sure there is a reason for reason. It's called natural selection.
Would you mind explaining how from mindless matter somehow mind just emerged and on what evidence are you basing such remarkable declaration? Are you suggesting that natural selection has a mind? |
To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 14:17:22 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin alogos
Would you mind explaining how from mindless matter somehow mind just emerged
How else would it have? |
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Slater
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 14:20:59 [Permalink]
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Are we to take it that you are a high school drop out? Have you never taken a basic biology class? Have you never visited a natural history museum or watched a science show on TV? Can you possibly be so ignorant of the natural world as you pretend to be?
Do you really think that Neolithic superstitions are based on fact? That claiming that "mind" came about by magic words and magic breath is not absurd and foolish?
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@tomic
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 17:27:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic
Do I need to post a definition of the word "Troll"?
@tomic
I was thinking "Tireless Rebutter" fit better... |
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 20:48:50 [Permalink]
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TD: quote:
How else would it have?
If our thoughts are merely a product of chemical reactions in our brains and logic is evolving then how can we decide between good logic and bad logic? Your view reduces our ability to REASON to pure nonrational chemical reactions.Your dissagreement with me is nothing but bad chilie last night. |
To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 20:55:41 [Permalink]
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Slater: quote:
Can you possibly be so ignorant of the natural world as...claiming that "mind" came about by magic
It is you who has BLIND FAITH in magic that SOMEHOW (and you can't say how!) that RATIONAL THINKING BEINGS came from mindless matter. Utter credulity! |
To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
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darwin alogos
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 21:00:20 [Permalink]
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Atomic: quote:
Do I need to post a definition of the word "Troll"?
@tomic
I'm sorry Atomic I promise never to ask you to question your faith again. quote:
Well there you go again Atomic, I really don't think you've given much thought as to the origin of LOGIC have you??? Or do
you now believe there is a REASON for reason, or is rational thought just a lucky happenstance of irrational impersonal
forces? Do me a favor and at least think about it before you spout off the party line.
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To deny logic you must use it.To deny Jesus Existed you must throw away all your knowledge of the ancient world. To deny ID
you must refute all analogical reasoning. So the question is why deny? |
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a65phalcon
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Posted - 01/31/2003 : 21:10:31 [Permalink]
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| DA here is a little food for thought. I noticed that you have a numerous amount of postings on here but you have not yet come to the understanding that these "skeptics" are not "skeptics". They are in fact a group of individual whose thought processes are rooted in the many years of hopelessness they have felt. Putting aside the arguement of the exsistance of God, there is an abundant amount of information supporting the exsistance of Jesus Christ(the man, not as the Son of God). YOu can argue all day long with the majority of people on this board and it will not do a damn bit of good. I appluad the fact you have tried to sway the masses, but they will not be swayed. They won't even come to the realization of evidence let alone have a conversation with you, I say let them huddle together. Let them find comfort in their realities. To each his own. |
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