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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 02/13/2003 :  09:12:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gezzam

I want to make it perfectly clear that I have nothing against the American people, it is the current administrations foreign policy that scares the hell outta me.



Same here. The current US situation looks like the beginning of a bad "Dark Future" novel.

I'm not anti-US.
I'm anti-idiot.
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2003 :  00:34:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Snake's Homepage  Send Snake an ICQ Message  Send Snake a Yahoo! Message Send Snake a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Starman

quote:
Originally posted by gezzam

I want to make it perfectly clear that I have nothing against the American people, it is the current administrations foreign policy that scares the hell outta me.



Same here. The current US situation looks like the beginning of a bad "Dark Future" novel.

I'm not anti-US.
I'm anti-idiot.



I am anti-USA
Americans are idiots.
(you guys don't have to live with them, I do!)
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2003 :  00:56:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Snake's Homepage  Send Snake an ICQ Message  Send Snake a Yahoo! Message Send Snake a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Tim

quote:
we are really starting to dislike the way America chides those who dare not agree with her. Your actions are making your country look like one that will stop at nothing to get its way and to be honest, it's quite frightening.
Gez, I'd love to argue with you and take some offense because of nationalistic sensiblities, but I can't, dammit! You're right!


OK, well, not all Americans are idiots.
I agree, the USA should keep out of all other countries business.


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Tim
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USA
775 Posts

Posted - 02/15/2003 :  02:51:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
quote:
OK, well, not all Americans are idiots.
Ah, but Snake...Man, ya warm my heart!

"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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gezzam
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Australia
751 Posts

Posted - 02/15/2003 :  09:43:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit gezzam's Homepage Send gezzam a Private Message
http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

Found this article relating how the '91 Gulf War was sold to the public...

Interesting reading, especially this....

quote:
In fact, the most emotionally moving testimony on October 10 came from a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only by her first name of Nayirah. According to the Caucus, Nayirah's full name was being kept confidential to prevent Iraqi reprisals against her family in occupied Kuwait. Sobbing, she described what she had seen with her own eyes in a hospital in Kuwait City. Her written testimony was passed out in a media kit prepared by Citizens for a Free Kuwait. "I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital," Nayirah said. "While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die."83

Three months passed between Nayirah's testimony and the start of the war. During those months, the story of babies torn from their incubators was repeated over and over again. President Bush told the story. It was recited as fact in Congressional testimony, on TV and radio talk shows, and at the UN Security Council. "Of all the accusations made against the dictator," MacArthur observed, "none had more impact on American public opinion than the one about Iraqi soldiers removing 312 babies from their incubators and leaving them to die on the cold hospital floors of Kuwait City."84

At the Human Rights Caucus, however, Hill & Knowlton and Congressman Lantos had failed to reveal that Nayirah was a member of the Kuwaiti Royal Family. Her father, in fact, was Saud Nasir al-Sabah, Kuwait's Ambassador to the US, who sat listening in the hearing room during her testimony. The Caucus also failed to reveal that H&K vice-president Lauri Fitz-Pegado had coached Nayirah in what even the Kuwaitis' own investigators later confirmed was false testimony.
If Nayirah's outrageous lie had been exposed at the time it was told, it might have at least caused some in Congress and the news media to soberly reevaluate the extent to which they were being skillfully manipulated to support military action. Public opinion was deeply divided on Bush's Gulf policy. As late as December 1990, a New York Times/CBS News poll indicated that 48 percent of the American people wanted Bush to wait before taking any action if Iraq failed to withdraw from Kuwait by Bush's January 15 deadline.85 On January 12, the US Senate voted by a narrow, five-vote margin to support the Bush administration in a declaration of war. Given the narrowness of the vote, the babies-thrown-from-incubators story may have turned the tide in Bush's favor.

Following the war, human rights investigators attempted to confirm Nayirah's story and could find no witnesses or other evidence to support it. Amnesty International, which had fallen for the story, was forced to issue an embarrassing retraction. Nayirah herself was unavailable for comment. "This is the first allegation I've had that she was the ambassador's daughter," said Human Rights Caucus co-chair John Porter. "Yes, I think people . . . were entitled to know the source of her testimony." When journalists for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation asked Nasir al-Sabah for permission to question Nayirah about her story, the ambassador angrily refused.86






Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.

Al Franken
Edited by - gezzam on 02/15/2003 10:11:09
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@tomic
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USA
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Posted - 02/15/2003 :  11:59:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
And they still sell them as baby killers even now.

@tomic

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gezzam
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Australia
751 Posts

Posted - 02/15/2003 :  12:14:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit gezzam's Homepage Send gezzam a Private Message
And people still swallow it....that's the sad thing

Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.

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