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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 04/18/2003 : 03:12:29 [Permalink]
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| Whatever happened and will happen in Iraq is the fault of the U.S. and their illegal invasion. If you rob a liquor store and the owner has a heart attack, you're accused of murder. Having said that, once in there, screw the museum, save lives. If it dangerous to protect, screw it. Lives are more important. |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 13:34:36 [Permalink]
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Did anyone catch that the one building US troops did protect was the Oil Ministry?
I just yesterday heard this allegation on MSNBC, I believe, but only as a small reference in a larger story. Does anyone have a link to a reputable site, like a major newspaper, where I can find this in print form? For me, this goes a long way in explaining the administration's motives. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 13:55:29 [Permalink]
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I have only seen it mentioned on CNN 3 times, ABC once and on MSNBC (Yes I am a news junky) but I have no links. Haven't looked for them either but live photos of the pristine oil ministry building say a lot.
Considering how much I read about the art and historian's fears that this looting would occur well before fighting broke out it's amazing that the administration line is now "We had no idea this would happen" or Dumsfelds allegation that TV keeps showing the same looter over and over again as if it was an isolated incident.
Now Bush wants the UN sanctions removed so the oil pumping can begin. Everything is about oil. Protect the oil fields first, protect the oil ministry, they planned enough about oil protection and production and it's such a high priority.
Oh, and Bechtel got a huge contract for rebuilding Iraq. Does anyone wonder why regional firms that are really hurting or Iraqi firms aren't getting the work? Why can't the UN come in now? We wanted the UN in Afghanistan ASAP so we could move on but for some peculiar reason we don't want the UN in on this one.
Anyone care to guess why?
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 04/18/2003 : 19:02:51 [Permalink]
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| Why wouldnt they protect the oil fields? In 1991 the Iraqi regime had a thing for lighting them up. They lit over 600 wells(not great for the environment) and a real bastard to put out. |
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Tim
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USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 02:15:41 [Permalink]
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Fireballin, my friend...The words were 'Oil Ministry' as in the gov't building which houses the business end of the oil industry, not the actual oil fields, or the pipelines, or the storage or refinement locales.
Please, understand that the US military is protecting the business interests which will soon be handed over to US and Brittish corporations, while neglecting buildings critical to the infrastructure of Iraq and the well-being of the Iraqi people. The buildings which weren't being guarded by the military were such places as hospitals, schools, power plants, water works facilities and freight distribution terminals.
Now, Fireballin, if you are a right Libertarian, I can certainly understand you're sentiments. If the people aren't smart enough, hard working enough or personally committed enough to heal their own wounds, locate and ship their own food, pharmaceuticals and manufacturing materials, produce their own water and electricity, or even teach their own children, then they must deserve whatever they get. Besides, all [/i]free marketeers[/i] know that without the burdomsome intervention of gov't, the ability to compete without restraint in a global market will heal all of the world's ills, anyway.
If you're not a right Libertarian, I apologize, and hope you understand the dilemna posed by such actions. If you are a right Libertarian, then nothing I have said would make any difference, except maybe to push you further toward the edge with your precious little guns. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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seb
New Member
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 06:00:37 [Permalink]
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But seriously...... I've always thought those people there in the Middle East, Jews and all, are crazy. I don't understand what all the tension is about...besides oil! They all look alike to me. Well, execpt for the dresses and head gear the Arab men wear!
Anyway, the point is, I don't think whoever ends up being in charge will stop the disagreements. Look what happened to Sadat when he tried to make peace.
They are crazy, I tell you!
It seems stupid to you to have people fighting for land or belief? Keep in mind that this has been going on for centuries. US is a "young" country you did not know any occupation or war inside your land, merely a civil war. To make peace with neighbors or inside your own country is not the easiest, it takes time and to give people time to do this does not match the US view who wants things to go quickly.
One example is the government in Saoudie, it is one of the worst in the world but because a dictatorship was easier to set up and it (so far) keep the oil flowing nobody cares. Arn't we going to end up with the same kind of things in Irak? |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 06:49:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Tim
Fireballin, my friend...The words were 'Oil Ministry' as in the gov't building which houses the business end of the oil industry, not the actual oil fields, or the pipelines, or the storage or refinement locales.
Please, understand that the US military is protecting the business interests which will soon be handed over to US and Brittish corporations, while neglecting buildings critical to the infrastructure of Iraq and the well-being of the Iraqi people. The buildings which weren't being guarded by the military were such places as hospitals, schools, power plants, water works facilities and freight distribution terminals.
Now, Fireballin, if you are a right Libertarian, I can certainly understand you're sentiments. If the people aren't smart enough, hard working enough or personally committed enough to heal their own wounds, locate and ship their own food, pharmaceuticals and manufacturing materials, produce their own water and electricity, or even teach their own children, then they must deserve whatever they get. Besides, all [/i]free marketeers[/i] know that without the burdomsome intervention of gov't, the ability to compete without restraint in a global market will heal all of the world's ills, anyway.
If you're not a right Libertarian, I apologize, and hope you understand the dilemna posed by such actions. If you are a right Libertarian, then nothing I have said would make any difference, except maybe to push you further toward the edge with your precious little guns.
His quote says it all Tim. Lasers would always be the cure for the worlds ills. Maybe I'm being sentimental because I've had a few beers, but won't blasting the hell outta someone only get the same in return. When are leaders going to understand all this crap is an endless loop of destruction and pain. Human's are so intelligent, yet so unwise. We are really fucked, this madness has gone on for way too long. |
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chainsaw
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 07:24:15 [Permalink]
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Interesting or, should I say, revealing poll in this morning's Atlanta paper. 41% of the US adult pop now say they are more willing to use military force in the future to solve an international problem (Source: AJC/Zogby American Poll, April 16-17).
Now that we have perfected war to be quick and easy, we want more or it.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 09:07:49 [Permalink]
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I understand that Interpol is going after the museum looters. I don't know if that will be effective or not. I hope so.
'Saw, people are idiots, even thee and me, under the right circumstances. We do something easy one time and it feels so good, why not do it again, right? Jolly good sport, eh? Unless, o'course we are the ones shooting and getting shot at. Then, the sport ain't so fucking 'jolly good'. I have little but contempt for these armchair patriots, of which our fearless leader is one.
Anybody but bush in '04! I'd vote for a little, red hen over Bush. We'd get about the same intellect, and we can certainly use the eggs.
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LordofEntropy
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 12:08:03 [Permalink]
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| Nah, Bush will just have the Supreme Court put him in office if he loses. |
Entropy just isn't what it used to be.
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 12:30:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by LordofEntropy
Nah, Bush will just have the Supreme Court put him in office if he loses.
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
179 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2003 : 19:24:14 [Permalink]
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| Sorry I see further into this conflict than just Iraq and its artifacts. I see it as if it was not for the US eventually you would all be speaking Arabic....... I see the world competing for world domination. Militant Islam hates Isreal and wants 1948 to be erased from history. One problem, Isreal has one powerful buddy. Three dominant ideoligies are competing, western european socialism, capilalism, and militant islam. Call me a blood thirsty, I couldn't care less, take away my capitalism I have a problem. |
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 19:27:09 [Permalink]
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| Oh and TIm @tomic did use the term oil fields |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2003 : 19:38:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by seb
It seems stupid to you to have people fighting for land or belief? Keep in mind that this has been going on for centuries. US is a "young" country you did not know any occupation or war inside your land, merely a civil war. To make peace with neighbors or inside your own country is not the easiest, it takes time and to give people time to do this does not match the US view who wants things to go quickly.
Stupid? I merely said I didn't understand.
That's a good point....it has been centuries, so why can't they learn to get along?
My country? I am 1st generation 'American'. My parents were born in other countries, I've never felt that close to the USA. The civil war of the USA was over 100 years ago, I was not involved. (as old as you might think I am!) However I do agree with you, people here, it seems do want things NOW. I don't like that either. They are always in a hurry. That makes me crazy!
The 'occupation' here is from the Demopublicans who want to keep everyone down with more taxes and ridiculous laws. My beliefs and struggles are to get rid of useless politicians who are ruining this country. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2003 : 20:16:32 [Permalink]
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Okay. You're bloodthirsty.
I see farther than Iraq, too and the U.S. has set an example, not just here, but elsewhere that they do not want other countries to follow.
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Originally posted by Fireballn
Sorry I see further into this conflict than just Iraq and its artifacts. I see it as if it was not for the US eventually you would all be speaking Arabic....... I see the world competing for world domination. Militant Islam hates Isreal and wants 1948 to be erased from history. One problem, Isreal has one powerful buddy. Three dominant ideoligies are competing, western european socialism, capilalism, and militant islam. Call me a blood thirsty, I couldn't care less, take away my capitalism I have a problem.
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