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filthy
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 Posted - 02/18/2005 : 09:11:41 [Permalink]
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Ok, here's a simple test. Count the loose change in your pocket, fix the amount firmly in your mind, then ask the 'psychic' to tell you how much you have. If he asks questions, tell him nothing. I will wager next month's disability check against a stale, cheese sandwich that he'll miss it or crawfish out of it, most likely the latter.
Look at these charlatons with a critical mind, and their feet of clay quickly become apparent.
There is an article in Skeptilanious discussing an important aspect of the psychic skill; cold reading.
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ClonerStive
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Posted - 02/18/2005 : 18:54:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ClonerStive
Yes, I know most of you are being mature skeptics, as I am, but I feel this needed to be said for a select few who have been, well. . . assholes :P. Now that you are a bit more informed of the claims, you can argue the other side a bit more accurately.
Oh, and no, I'm not trying to convince anyone that this is real, just trying to stop the inaccurate flames and insults. . .(Quote seen above. . .and the one below)
... Is that you, Del?
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ClonerStive
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Posted - 02/18/2005 : 19:10:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Ok, here's a simple test. Count the loose change in your pocket, fix the amount firmly in your mind, then ask the 'psychic' to tell you how much you have. If he asks questions, tell him nothing. I will wager next month's disability check against a stale, cheese sandwich that he'll miss it or crawfish out of it, most likely the latter.
Look at these charlatons with a critical mind, and their feet of clay quickly become apparent.
There is an article in Skeptilanious discussing an important aspect of the psychic skill; cold reading.
I agree whole heartedly with this.
This is the main reason why it's hard to prove (even to myself at time) that such things exist. Too many magicians are out there, and not enough of the serious stuff.
And to someone who called it "psi-magic stuff". . .I'm not trying to bash you, it's just something that bugs me **shrug**. . .Psionics isn't magic, nor is it magick. ((The "real" witchcraft stuff in which I think is total bullshit :). . .and it goes against some things I believe in. Not getting into that though heh. )) Magic is the use of illusions to entertain people, whereas psionics is a science being looked into.
Oh, and as for that million dollar thing. . . sounds like a good idea accually.
Oh, and the main reason people don't tell the world about psionics is because most people will think them to be crazy :P. There are too many arrogent people out there, and not enough intelligent skeptics, like you guys here.
One more thing, anyone know how I'd go about putting up a video clip on the web so I can post a link to it? I'm afraid I'm not very publish savvy  . Again, I'm not going to put up a TK video to prove it works/exists. . .If anything I'm doing it to share a point of view and spark some good criticism...And also, you asked :P
(Update) Heh, after looking around the web, the people who were bashing wern't neerly as bad as some other people out there. (The ignorent basher can be found here http://www.insolitology.com/guides/paranormal.htm and here http://www.insolitology.com/guides/psipog/index.htm, ranting about things not even implied by psipog) I'm not so irritated anymore :P. I'd still like to know how to put up a video though. |
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furshur
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/25/2005 : 11:57:19 [Permalink]
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Oh... my... god...
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/25/2005 : 16:52:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Funny site. I agree he is a basher but he didn't seem ignorant to me.
Yes, I agree. He seems perfectly reasonable. Reading over the chat logs kinda shows you what sort of people they are over at psipog.net -- immature teens who like to hang out, make crass jokes, and talk about their "powers" which they take way too seriously. It's a little clique they have developed. They have found a place to feel accepted and have transformed their feelings of "differentness" into an empowering support group. Too bad none of them can really do any of the psi stuff they claim. One kid was even citing a program on TLC about dog telepathy lol. He is obviously part of the "they can't show it on TV unless it's true" mentality.
Honestly, the speed with which they banned a dissenting opinion remninds me of the Creationist run web sites. Your welcome so long as you don't challenge them. They can do everything they say they can, just don't ask them to prove it.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 02/26/2005 : 08:28:38 [Permalink]
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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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stony1205
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Posted - 02/27/2005 : 12:46:42 [Permalink]
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Hi all,
Its been so long since I posted those replies, that my account was deleted. I had forgotten about those posts untill a search engine picked them up again. Enough of my rambling...
Some of the things I stated in those posts didn't quite make sence, and many of you would have liked further explinations. You all present quite valid points, and I can see where your skepticism comes from. I cannot prove or disprove to you something you are set on not believing, and I'm not out to. I just thought I'd present the other side for some good debate. If anyone is still interested, we can pick up this post from where it left off.
Since those posts I've opened my own site which can be viewed here: http://www.psionline.org. Feel free to discuss anything on it, or, dont I really don't care.
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Starman
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Posted - 02/28/2005 : 05:38:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by stony1205
Some of the things I stated in those posts didn't quite make sence, and many of you would have liked further explinations. You all present quite valid points, and I can see where your skepticism comes from. I cannot prove or disprove to you something you are set on not believing, and I'm not out to. I just thought I'd present the other side for some good debate.
If you can't provide any support for your claims there will not really be a good debate, will it?
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ladycrystal6
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Posted - 03/13/2005 : 06:38:35 [Permalink]
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| I was just wondering... Why is it you guys don't believe in the stuff there in psipog? (and yes... I'm a psipog member)... as I said... just wondering so I can get your perspective on this topic. (oh and by the way... not everyone on psipog is an immature teenager =P) |
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Siberia
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Posted - 03/13/2005 : 07:40:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ladycrystal6
I was just wondering... Why is it you guys don't believe in the stuff there in psipog? (and yes... I'm a psipog member)... as I said... just wondering so I can get your perspective on this topic. (oh and by the way... not everyone on psipog is an immature teenager =P)
Well, I think it's a question of not having any proof whatsoever that what they claim is indeed right, once taken beyond the mind of the believer. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 03/13/2005 : 11:13:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ladycrystal6:
I was just wondering... Why is it you guys don't believe in the stuff there in psipog? (and yes... I'm a psipog member)... as I said... just wondering so I can get your perspective on this topic. (oh and by the way... not everyone on psipog is an immature teenager =P)
Welcome to SFN, ladycrystal6.
I don't accept the suppositions of psipog because there is no credible evidence to support them. I have not seen any peer reviewed research including a scientifically valid controlled experiment to verify any psi claims. I have not seen any valid hypothesis as to how this stuff might work consistent with what we already know about physics, energy, etc. Even psipog.net's own research page has nothing, zip, zero, nada on it.
Instead, what we have is stuff like this about telekinesis:
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Let's start with the most simple. I don't think it's a big secret and probably every physics teacher will confirm that we all are made of the same stuff: atoms. And all atoms are made of energy. They only differ from each other in size. So basically everything around us and we ourselves are pure energy. You can imagine the whole universe as a lake of energy and yourself as a drop of water in it. But how can you distinguish where that drop starts and where it ends? You are right. You can't. Separation is just an illusion. The computer in front of you is a part of your own energy field as well as you are a part of its energy field. You don't end at your skin. And this leads us to the conclusion that you are one with all the things around you
Not only is there no evidence to support this supposition, there is ample evidence that "separation" is not an illusion. If it is just an illusion, how can be sure that you've done anything with your psi powers? It could just be some other energy making things happen. After all, it's just an illusion, right?
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In many cases it's very useful to think about objects as separate things. In other cases, like in telekinesis, it's necessary to keep in mind that the psiwheel in front of you lies in your own energy field and therefore it can be affected by your energy. You don't believe it? Now touch that psiwheel with your finger. Did it move? Of course it did, because you used your energy in form of atoms of your finger to accelerate the molecules of the paper. Clever, huh?
But even if you don't use your finger, it's possible through some mental processes to alter the state of your energy field and therefore to influence the paper on pin that lies inside of this field. It's possible to make objects move without direct physical contact. But at the end of the day it's still being affected by physical forces. They are just not present as the physical matter… atoms. These forces are based only on the energy. Atoms, the matter, are just a state of the energy, according to my school's technical library. Now that only means that energy doesn't have to be “visible” or “touchable” and it means that it's not only inside of yourself, but also lies around yourself.
More unsupported gibberish. You can't separate kinetic forces from physical matter. Kinetic force by definition involves mass.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 03/13/2005 : 12:38:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ladycrystal6
I was just wondering... Why is it you guys don't believe in the stuff there in psipog?
Because it doesn't explain natural events nor add knowledge of nature without the use of the paranormal, when there already exist a natural explanation.
I would like nothing more than for PSI to be reality, but I'm not gullible to believe in it just because someone say so. Not even if many people say so. I want reliable evidence for it, and right now, an experiment set up with a double-blind test published in a peer-reviewed journal would do the trick for me.
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as I said... just wondering so I can get your perspective on this topic.
All you have to do is ask... It's the source of all learning. 
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(oh and by the way... not everyone on psipog is an immature teenager =P)
That's great. Then we have hope of a giving exchange.
Semi_Mysterious, a user from psipog.net using the e-mail address Reverse_Ages@hotmail.com who was here a while ago behaved very immature, so forgive me for being weary. During a chat-session he unexpectedly quickly grew frustrated by our skeptic enquiry into his assertions of psi-powers and started sock-puppetting and became generally abusive.
Such people are bad ambassadors for the psi-believing community.
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ladycrystal6
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Posted - 03/13/2005 : 13:25:53 [Permalink]
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| Hmm... thanks for your replies. I just wanted to see your opinions on this. I don't want to be one of the people who start getting angry all of a sudden. And yes... there are a few people in every group of people that don't behave right. (Thanks again) |
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 03/13/2005 : 15:00:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ladycrystal6:
Hmm... thanks for your replies. I just wanted to see your opinions on this. I don't want to be one of the people who start getting angry all of a sudden. And yes... there are a few people in every group of people that don't behave right. (Thanks again)
Your quite welcome. Any chance you'd like to share your take on psi with us? |
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