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ladycrystal6
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 Posted - 03/13/2005 : 22:18:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ladycrystal6:
Hmm... thanks for your replies. I just wanted to see your opinions on this. I don't want to be one of the people who start getting angry all of a sudden. And yes... there are a few people in every group of people that don't behave right. (Thanks again)
Your quite welcome. Any chance you'd like to share your take on psi with us?
Sure. Mostly I'm still a bit skeptic about "psi" and psionics but still. I'm hoping one day us psions will be able to present good proof that what we're talking about is pretty much real. Heh. If we were really that serious with our practising and training with psionics we wouldn't be able to do it at all XD. It's funny though, the stereotypes of psionics and how people think when hear the words "throw a psi ball" that they sometimes think of dragon ball. I have to admit though, the misunderstandings that people have of psionics gets lots of people angry. Technically, everything at psipog is just what everyone believes in. All the theories and the fact that nobody can't really explain what "psi" is, shows that all of us psions are still trying to explain these things to ourselves aswell. It's interesting that many psionic newbs "are" teenagers. Teenagers are always looking for something interesting so yeah...
Mostly I wouldn't want to write a whole page on what I think about psionics and other stuff about it. As I said before, hopefully we'll be able to come up with solid proof that what we're talking about is real and make a lot more sense of what we're trying to practise. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 01:38:37 [Permalink]
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Ladycrystal6, you are also welcome to ask specific questions about skepticism, and science in general (and specific too).
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ladycrystal6
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 05:03:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Ladycrystal6, you are also welcome to ask specific questions about skepticism, and science in general (and specific too).
I quite a shy person so yeah... :P... There's not much I have to ask about skepticism anyway or anything else. I may come back once in a while to read a little though but that one question was all I wanted to ask. ^_^ |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 14:09:51 [Permalink]
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| You're welcome... |
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Alea
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 11:50:47 [Permalink]
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| Well, I'll surely be ripped to shreds for this, but...why not just try it? I'll even make it easy for you. http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=8 That is a link from psipog itself on how to make psiballs. Click it, actually TRY it, and when it doesn't work, you've just verified that every member of psipog is blowing smoke. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 13:20:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Alea
Well, I'll surely be ripped to shreds for this, but...why not just try it? I'll even make it easy for you. http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=8 That is a link from psipog itself on how to make psiballs. Click it, actually TRY it, and when it doesn't work, you've just verified that every member of psipog is blowing smoke.
Hi Alea and welcome to SFN -- no shread-ripping here!
I dunno. I guess I just ain't energetic enuff. But because I failed to make a psiball does not mean that someone else could not, true?
I would be very interested to see someone actually do this. But until then, I must continue regulate it to the internet hoo-hah bin. It's getting crowded it there...
I must yet again ask: if this or something like it works, why is not science studying it? Further, one would think that it would make a great stage act; an excellent trick for magicians and conjurers to perform. Hell, it's so neat that everybody (except my unconductive self) would be doing it -- can you imagine the traffic tieup during the twice-daily, I-495 ruch hour ceremony that someone doing a psiball in a convertable would inspire? Yow!!
Again, welcome!
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Aidis
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 08:39:47 [Permalink]
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| After searching the PsiPog website i found no real evidence even on there on how a PsiBall can be verified. What they say is basicly, if you feel a tingling sensation on your fingertips you made a PsiBall, now i know out of experience that holding your arms and fingers in a single position for a minute CAN do that to you... Its called nerves. They claim that making a visible PsiBall can take more then a year. Its hard to beleive someone will "practise" something they have absolutely no proof of for a year so maybe he can get results. Most people on the site probably think they are making PsiBalls because they want to beleive. If they truly wanted to help mankind they would prove this "Ki" since it so keen on "healing" maybe it will help doctors? So does ANYONE on PsiPog claim they can make a visible PsiBall? I would gladly have a private intelligent chat with you. |
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Ricky
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trogdor
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 20:31:55 [Permalink]
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After searching the PsiPog website i found no real evidence even on there on how a PsiBall can be verified.
well after reading the claims of people who have posted were I can think of a couple ways they could be varified.
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one of my personal favorite things to do is use the sun as a drawn energy source to make a psi ball warmer than room temperature, (not like a million degrees, just one, maybe two)
if a psi-ball changed the temp. of an indipendant thermometer, and could be repeated, then I might be convinced. |
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trogdor
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 20:42:22 [Permalink]
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Oh Crap! tw101356posted the same thing 6 pages back!
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I read a bit of the website and noted this.
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From the article: "Did You Make a PsiBall? : A Guide to PsiBall Identification for Newbies"
You may try making it around a thermometre device and having it fluctuate in temperature, or a magnet and have it fluctuate magnetically.
That is an emminently testable claim, especially the temperature fluctuation part. It should be a simple matter to publish a reproducible experiment.
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Aidis
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 21:07:49 [Permalink]
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The fact that they do NOT conduct experiemnts to show actual facts (The temp went up 4 degrees) (The magnet moved 3 mm) actully shows that they themselves do not fully beleive what they are doing is real, but mostly just want to beleive. And there beleives are boosted by some attention seekers claiming to be "masters" that can heal and make giant psiballs.
http://www.psipog.net/flare052004.php
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 23:02:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Aidis
The WORST experiment i have seen ever.
Actually, I think it was pretty conclusive. They had over 100 people trying to produce a "bright green" psi ball and couldn't produce anything besides one forged image and one really dim smudge that was speculated to be a reflected light source.
I'd call the experiment a spectacular failure. Unfortunately, I doubt any of the true believers regard it as such.
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Aidis
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 23:57:41 [Permalink]
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| They were trying to produce it through a WEBCAM without knowing the exact topology of the location, what, did the energy pass through the internet and the webcam? Thats madness. |
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Aidis
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 00:24:32 [Permalink]
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http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=10156
Someone needs to stop these people, there are luring 8 year olds into having no life... And generaly making people more stupid... I bet there are loads of kids who keep trying to make a psi ball every day for a month because "Peabrain" said so on IRC... |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 00:55:45 [Permalink]
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Someone needs to stop these people,
Even if you debunk every single one of their claims, invite them ALL to participate in proper experiments to "validate" their claims and demolish them when they fail.... they will still believe.
A certain % of our human population is completely unwilling to learn some basic critical thinking skills.
The best way, I think, to "stop" them is to provide cogent explanations of the flaws in their claims to the wider audience. That being the people who manage to find their way here (and to other skeptic resources out there) and may not posess the full range of critical thinking skills (skills that are easily learned, btw) to apply to claims like this one.
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