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Eldibs
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 Posted - 12/06/2005 : 22:59:03 [Permalink]
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That might work both ways, you know. If insurmountable evidence was given to prove their views correct, there would still be those who disbelieve them.
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I bet there are loads of kids who keep trying to make a psi ball every day for a month because "Peabrain" said so on IRC...
Having tried to make a psi-ball myself, I can tell you it only takes at most two weeks to get some kind of a result. Determining whether the feeling of the psi-ball is just bio-feedback or actually a psi-ball is another story altogether.
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I'd call the experiment a spectacular failure. Unfortunately, I doubt any of the true believers regard it as such.
I'd call it a spectacular failure, but I wouldn't call it an experiment. They weren't trying to prove any specific hypothesis, they just wanted to see if they could make a visible psi-ball.
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now i know out of experience that holding your arms and fingers in a single position for a minute CAN do that to you... Its called nerves.
The problem with that is that it's not always a tingling sensation. The feeling varies somewhat from person to person.
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Click it, actually TRY it, and when it doesn't work, you've just verified that every member of psipog is blowing smoke.
Except the problem with that is you have to have an open mind about it. If you go in thinking "Man, I know this won't work," or if you only try for a grand total of 15 seconds, then it won't work.
Besides, that site has been up for a couple of years, with paid hosting and a domain name. Why would they maintain the site if it was all a lie or a joke? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 23:16:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Eldibs
Besides, that site has been up for a couple of years, with paid hosting and a domain name. Why would they maintain the site if it was all a lie or a joke?
Don't underestimate people's ability of self-deception.
They may actually believe in their psi-abilities, whoever ludicrous it may seem to most of us. |
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Ricky
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Aidis
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 00:03:01 [Permalink]
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What i dont get is, since its SOO easy to make a visible Psi-Ball.. Is it just a coincidence all these people that claim this also
1. Do not have a webcam/access to a camera (So they say).
2. Only do it in there basement and they have never told anyone of there real friends (If they have any) but asked there mother and claimed that she did not want to beleive and thats why she didnt see it.
3. Dont like fame and fortune.
Plus, i bet you if asian anime/fiction were never brought to western culture non of these sites/fanatics would exist. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 00:23:55 [Permalink]
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Plus, i bet you if asian anime/fiction were never brought to western culture non of these sites/fanatics would exist.
That may be a bit of a stretch. People claiming paranormal abilities have been around for a looooong time.
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Aidis
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 00:42:33 [Permalink]
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| I was mostly talking about the Ki/Chi/Qi (Ball/Beam) Empty Force etc fans. Its mostly Asian Mythology, kind of like refering to Dragons and Mages in ancient britain. |
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Eldibs
New Member
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 07:58:15 [Permalink]
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Plus, i bet you if asian anime/fiction were never brought to western culture non of these sites/fanatics would exist.
I don't know about that, but I'd be a happier person (no anime).
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What i dont get is, since its SOO easy to make a visible Psi-Ball.
Yeah right. I wish it were that easy. I'd mess with people's heads all the time.
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Did you not just contradict yourself? Or is the phrase, "It is possible to make a visible psi-ball" not a hypothesis?
Good point. Perhaps what I should have said was "It wasn't intended to be an experiment, even if it was."
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What i dont get is, since its SOO easy to make a visible Psi-Ball.. Is it just a coincidence all these people that claim this also
1. Do not have a webcam/access to a camera (So they say).
2. Only do it in there basement and they have never told anyone of there real friends (If they have any) but asked there mother and claimed that she did not want to beleive and thats why she didnt see it.
3. Dont like fame and fortune.
I don't claim to be able to make a visible one, but anyways...
1. Psipog has plenty of videos of telekinesis. Whether or not they're real is a different story.
2. Basements are for sissies. So is asking your mother. I say just mess with people and see your results.
3. Fame isn't necessarily a good thing. I wouldn't want fame. Fortune, I would want. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 11:02:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Eldibs
3. Fame isn't necessarily a good thing. I wouldn't want fame. Fortune, I would want.
I'm not sure, but I suppose Randi could be convinced to conceal the identity of the person who managed to win his million dollar prize. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 11:52:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Eldibs
Besides, that site has been up for a couple of years, with paid hosting and a domain name. Why would they maintain the site if it was all a lie or a joke?
Several Ponzi scheme websites have been up for a couple of years, does it make what they say any less a lie? Landover Baptist has been in operation for over 5 years, does it make it any less than a joke?
DNS services and hosting is the price of a hobby or a business to defraud people.
Longevity of the site has no bearing on the quality of the information inside. |
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Eldibs
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 12:11:58 [Permalink]
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Longevity of the site has no bearing on the quality of the information inside.
Yes, but the consistency of their information, combined with multiple videos of them performing some of these feats (http://www.psipog.net/media.php) and the length of time the site has been up indicates they aren't deluded or crazy. They would have to be incredibly dedicated liars who don't mind spending money and loads of time on their lie, with no reward other than the thought of people believing their lie. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 14:13:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Eldibs
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Longevity of the site has no bearing on the quality of the information inside.
Yes, but the consistency of their information, combined with multiple videos of them performing some of these feats (http://www.psipog.net/media.php) and the length of time the site has been up indicates they aren't deluded or crazy. They would have to be incredibly dedicated liars who don't mind spending money and loads of time on their lie, with no reward other than the thought of people believing their lie.
Again, consistency is also a mark in both Landover Baptist (a parody site) and the myriad Ponzi scheme websites (a criminal enterprize).
There is a third choice. They are self deluded and have bought their own snake oil. It's not good when you get hooked on your own product. |
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Eldibs
New Member
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 18:34:14 [Permalink]
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I might say something along the lines of "do you think that many could be self-deluded all at the same place about the same thing," but I know how idiotic people can be sometimes (after all, look at the lyrics to the song "Skater Boy").
Did those sites have consistency, video evidence, and longevity all at once, with many people backing them up? |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 18:43:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Eldibs
They would have to be incredibly dedicated liars who don't mind spending money and loads of time on their lie, with no reward other than the thought of people believing their lie.
I don't think you understand what self-deception means.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 19:49:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Eldibs
Did those sites have consistency, video evidence, and longevity all at once, with many people backing them up?
You ever visit a UFO site? Those poor folks are absolutely convinced alien ships have visited this planet and abducted people. They claim to have "proof" as well, but of course when you look into it nothing is there.
The sad fact of the matter is yes, people really can fool themselves collectively and for extended periods of time. Their whole lives in fact.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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| Edited by - H. Humbert on 12/07/2005 19:50:15 |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 19:57:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Eldibs
Did those sites have consistency, video evidence, and longevity all at once, with many people backing them up?
Christianity has PsiPog beat on all those points (beat by a mile), but that doesn't mean god is real.
And by "video evidence," is there nothing better than those simple parlor tricks shown? |
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